re: NSIAP: Bill Nye's Degenerate "My Sex Junk" children's singalong (NSFW)

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For now. That's less true every day.

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I'm curious as to the factual evidence you have to support that supposition.

You know. Science, an' shite.

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I don't want it to be said that I ignored them

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I know what you mean, but I try to keep it to actual arguments that need response rather than pointing out something frivolous.

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Science, philosophy, education, etc.

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Science: Doesn't address morality

Philosophy: Can address morality but I've found points more to the necessity of God than not, especially in terms of justifying morality.

Education: Isn't helpful towards morality unless you are learning about philosophy or religion. Learning about science and history won't drive someone to be a good person if they don't believe in an objective standard for goodness.

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I sure hope you don't believe religion to be the only thing preventing human nature from turning us back into wild animals.

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Humans can choose to be primitive or not. However, if the Christian worldview is rejected, there is no objective basis for judging right and wrong beyond the concept of "might makes right" where those in power (however that looks like) determines the moral code of the day. In those situations, the moral code can change very quickly, and not always for the better (even the definition of "better" is subjective in that worldview, since what is good, bad, better, and worse is really up to the individual).

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No, it doesn't.

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It does, because it recognizes a singular law-giver that is above humanity that will hold all people accountable to it. When God is rejected and humanity is made sole arbiter of truth, each individual can decide what is and isn't true and what is and isn't moral. People create their own moral code to live by and thus any accepted human-based moral code has to be subjective. That's also why it changes from day to day and year to year.

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See, here's your issue. Atheists don't rely on a contradictory book written thousands of years ago by primitives for their moral compasses. If you do, have at it. Just don't expect everyone to continue falling for it.

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Atheists have to borrow from the Christian worldview to justify their own morality. The only consistent atheist is the one that literally doesn't judge anyone as right or wrong, moral or immoral, because they know that there is no objective standard to judge by. That means no one else's moral code is better or worse than their own. They recognize the law without recognizing the law-giver. Talk about contradictory.

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By the way, by my count, you currently follow almost all the 10 commandments.

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What's the one about quartering soldiers in your house?

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This is part of his netflix series where he also talks about the white race and how evil it is.

In this particular video, he invites Rachel Bloom to sing a song to the audience, marketed toward children and teens, about how good a fleshlight feels in the morning, and not to 'put her box in a box'.

I can't type some of the lyrics from this children's show, because they would get me banned here.

If you can make it to the end, Nye claps and comes back on stage declaring "this is the right message".

We are so sorry Hitler. We didn't know.

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Was Bill two handing his junk while that shite show was going on.

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Yes it does.

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You don't like to expound upon your responses unless prodded, do you? Saying "No it doesn't" and "Yes it does" is schoolyard. If you disagree, you should provide a reason for why you disagree.

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Sure. You can find anything if you look hard enough and require no proof.

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Perhaps you are referring to a stereotype. I do require proof and have enough of it to satisfy my own desire for it. Philosophy has given me sufficient proof in God and the Bible has given me sufficient proof of His revelation about Himself.

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Incorrect. Science and history absolutely contribute to our morality.

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Another non-supported answer. "Why" may become my go-to word pretty soon.

I didn't say "contribute". I said "address". In case my meaning wasn't clear enough, what I meant was that they can only tell you how the natural world operates and what has happened in the past (assuming we have sufficient knowledge) but they cannot provide an objective basis for morality because morality is an immaterial concept which differs from person to person unless a particular code is forced upon people in some way.

Without God (or some other unchanging law-giver that is transcends above humanity), you have one moral code among many that is either agreed upon by consensus or forced upon people by whoever has enough power to do so. That is not objective and science and history cannot provide an objective basis for morality.

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This is complete bull shite. Maybe not for your version, but I don't care about that.

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Again with an answer that has no explanation. Why do you think this statement is wrong and by what standard do you judge it as such?

Also, you seem to care about it enough to respond.

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Only if you believe in the mythology. Cherry-picking, or worse, using religion for control of other people is far worse than anything atheism has ever or will ever do.

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Again, what standard are you using to justify the term "worse" in your statement? Since you apparently reject God, I'm curious what standard you are using to judge right and wrong, better and worse in order to condemn what I am saying.

Atheism can be responsible for any manner of evil you want to think of. In a world where there is no God, no afterlife, and no judgement for what you do on earth, there is no eternal comeuppance for what we do in our lives, and so someone with no arbitrary goal to live for can do whatever they want to others knowing that in the end, they will just cease to exist. I credit this mentality for the murder-suicides that seem so prevalent these days, including the mass shootings and massacres.

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More bull shite. You need that to be true to have some validity, but it isn't.

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Why?

Atheists certainly do borrow from the Christian worldview. Take laws of logic, for instance. What basis is there for laws of logic in a materialistic universe? Laws of logic aren't material, and yet they are universal. You can't decide on laws of logic through consensus like atheists want to do with morality. A worldview without God (who Christians believe is the creator of laws of logic, since they act in accordance to rationality within God's own mind) cannot account for the laws of logic. It has to borrow from a worldview with a God to even make sense of how they perceive the world (how can we even trust our senses?) and study it (how can we expect causality to hold true?)

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Also incorrect.

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Why?

What's your justification for saying one moral code is better or worse than another if there is no objective standard to judge by? It's like saying what flavor of ice cream is best. There isn't one (it's rocky road), because "best" is based on each person's tastes and no flavor is objectively better or worse than another.

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Atheists certainly do borrow from the Christian worldview. Take laws of logic, for instance. What basis is there for laws of logic in a materialistic universe? Laws of logic aren't material, and yet they are universal. You can't decide on laws of logic through consensus like atheists want to do with morality. A worldview without God (who Christians believe is the creator of laws of logic, since they act in accordance to rationality within God's own mind) cannot account for the laws of logic. It has to borrow from a worldview with a God to even make sense of how they perceive the world (how can we even trust our senses?) and study it (how can we expect causality to hold true?)

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This is monumentally stupid.

Your lack of any critical self-reflection is simply cringeworthy.

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This is monumentally stupid.

Your lack of any critical self-reflection is simply cringeworthy.

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As DisplacedBuckeye would say, that's your opinion.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate.

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I find it strange

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That's because you care if people agree with you.

I tried having this discussion before, and you fell back to the usual position. "That's what I believe." I have zero interest in discussing what you believe.

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What, exactly, are you responding to and why?

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All of it. Because it's not proof.

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Atheists cannot provide an objective basis for morality

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Neither can Christians.

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Yes

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This is the only part that matters to my point. It's why you do it. It's why you all do it.

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you don't want to debate and you don't care what I think

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That isn't what I said. I don't care about your beliefs and I won't have a debate with you about them. I'm also not going to let you drive the discussion in that direction. It isn't your fault. I realize your beliefs don't allow you to refrain from that. I just don't feel the need to participate.

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It's a strange place to be.

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It's a great place to be. I'm completely fine with you believing what you want to believe, right up to the point where you claim that those beliefs give you objective morality that only your religion is capable of providing.

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you offer none

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That's how not participating works. I won't give you the validity you seek.

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We've discussed this previously, actually.

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Indeed, and it went nowhere last time.

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An objective moral standard is one that is universally true and independent of individual human interpretation; it's true regardless of its acceptance by subjective individuals. Christianity offers this

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Christianity only offers this in conjunction with faith. That alone removes objectivity from your views. It's dishonest to continue to make this claim.