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re: NPR: Rand Paul Bids To Loosen Democratic Hold On African-American Vote
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The GOP needs to actually and legitimately care about the issues that are meaningful to the whole country.
Does not work. In this fragmented and selfish society, you've got to pander.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:13 pm to deltaland
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I think the GOP could get 20% of the black vote, and consistently get 35-40% of the Hispanic vote. They need the right message and new blood like Rand in the party who will not only reach out, but create a new narrative based on new issues and solutions to push for.
People get tired of the old "gay marriage, abortion, weed bad" arguments. Bring some new issues to light, issues that you can use against the Democrats. You have to find things you are on the right side of history on....choice in education, reform drug laws, economic issues, personal freedom, immigration reform.
All this
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:21 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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This is 100% true.
Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, German-Americans and a few other White American ethnic groups would beg to differ.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:31 pm to trackfan
I think Paul would be a serious contender. With that said I think he's going to be destroyed in the primaries by some establishment guy harping on jesus, guns, and not letting dangerous drug dealers back out on the street.
Rand would get a vote from me if he makes it to the general election that is.
Rand would get a vote from me if he makes it to the general election that is.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:35 pm to deltaland
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That was painful to watch
I like Romney but damn he was out of touch.
I don't get why some feel the need to try to intertwine into other group's culture. It's offensive to that group. It bothers me when Obama went to Texas and wore boots and a cowboy hat...seriously I was thinking "just stop, you look dumb".
Do you remember when Hillary tried to talk like a Southern Belle when she was campaigning in Alabama?
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My favorite is when people talk to Hispanics and start using a Spanish accent
Amen. If you can't speak Spanish, just speak English in your normal accent.
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If I were a candidate for some political position and had to speak to minority groups, I would just be myself, wear what I wear, talk how I talk. Speak my message clearly and make sure my speech has nothing that could be taken out of context. People respect you more for being yourself, not acting "like them". That's what made Reagan such a popular speaker he just went up there and did his thing.
Amen! Romney is a son of privilege whose natural persona is Thurston Howell III. Instead of running from this, he should have taken a page out of JFK's playbook and mocked himself for being born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and at least it would have shown folks that he had a sense of humor.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:46 pm to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:59 pm to RollTide4Ever
I can't think of another politician, Republican or Democrat, who is willing to venture into "enemy territory" as often as Rand is. Don't forget that one of his most controversial interviews was with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. Most Republican politicians avoid MSNBC like the bubonic plague, and it's the same way with Democratic politicians and FOX News.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:36 am to trackfan
Good if he can chop away some of that voting bloc but this whole disproportionate affect on black Americans line is bullshite.
Don't do illegal drugs and you won't go to jail. Simple as that.
If you want to decriminalize, then start the movement. But then again, nearly all the crackheads, white or black, can't even spell decriminalize. Disproportionate my arse.
Don't do illegal drugs and you won't go to jail. Simple as that.
If you want to decriminalize, then start the movement. But then again, nearly all the crackheads, white or black, can't even spell decriminalize. Disproportionate my arse.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:42 am to ASTL
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:36 am to ASTL
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Good if he can chop away some of that voting bloc but this whole disproportionate affect on black Americans line is bullshite.
Don't do illegal drugs and you won't go to jail. Simple as that.
If you want to decriminalize, then start the movement. But then again, nearly all the crackheads, white or black, can't even spell decriminalize. Disproportionate my arse.
You obviously didn't bother to hear what Rand had to say on this topic. His point is that drug users in middle-class White neighborhoods are not pursued by law enforcement and prosecuted with the same vigor as Black and Brown drug users in the hood. Do you think that's fair?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:45 am to trackfan
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You obviously didn't bother to hear what Rand had to say on this topic. His point is that drug users in middle-class White neighborhoods are not pursued by law enforcement and prosecuted with the same vigor as Black and Brown drug users in the hood. Do you think that's fair?
No. I don't think it's fair. But, that said, I will also point out that for whatever reason, drugs in the suburbs don't seem to come with the level of violence they do in the ghetto and I suspect that is what drives police to one and not the other.
I'm pretty on record of late as having signficant issues with the police but, one cannot deny that there actually is a heavy DEMAND even WITHIN black neighborhoods for police to "do something" about the violence. So, they are sort of in a rock/hard place situation.
All that said, I'd say our drug laws tend to drive at least 80% of the problem that we then ask the police to solve and of all the candidates out there, only one seems to even comprehend that fact.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:48 am to ShortyRob
quote:One good thing to come out lately(sort of good for a bad reason) was spoken about in an article I read recently. It pointed out that as some of these problems actually ARE invading the burbs, it has spread the number of people who are questioning drug laws. The point of the article was that whites were fine with drug laws when they primarily affected minorities. Now, I'd say that's a bit of a racist portrayal. The reality is, regardless of race, when something isnt' affecting your neighborhood much, it's not on your radar.
All that said, I'd say our drug laws tend to drive at least 80% of the problem that we then ask the police to solve and of all the candidates out there, only one seems to even comprehend that fact.
I think that we are at the cusp of a major shift in American drug policy and that shift will be a great benefit for the entire society in general and minorities in specific.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:57 am to RollTide4Ever
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On whether he'd eliminate the Department of Education as president:
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“I don’t think you’d notice if the whole department were gone tomorrow."
That wasn't the best part of Paul's answer (on the subject of the Department of Education). Axelrod asked Paul (paraphrasing), "so you want to cut the Department of Education budget?"
Paul responded (paraphrasing), "it might be a budget cut to the central planners in Washington however it's a budget increase to local and state budgets. Whenever you can remove a the middle man and in this case allow locals and states to keep more of their own money that is a budget increase or cost savings to locals school districts.'
Paul further harped on school choice and gave examples of how top-down one size fits all central planning from Washington limits local school districts ability to solve local problems.
On a separate note I was pleasantly surprised to see Axelrod in this context. He wasn't being his typical divisive self that you see when he is questioned on these cable news shows.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:05 am to ShortyRob
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No. I don't think it's fair. But, that said, I will also point out that for whatever reason, drugs in the suburbs don't seem to come with the level of violence they do in the ghetto and I suspect that is what drives police to one and not the other.
I'm pretty on record of late as having signficant issues with the police but, one cannot deny that there actually is a heavy DEMAND even WITHIN black neighborhoods for police to "do something" about the violence. So, they are sort of in a rock/hard place situation.
I think the way to handle violent drug offenders is to lock them up and throw away the key, but it's the non-violent drug offenders who I think the debate is about.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:20 am to trackfan
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I think the way to handle violent drug offenders is to lock them up and throw away the key, but it's the non-violent drug offenders who I think the debate is about.
Agreed.
I know that often you think I'm racist on this board but the truth of the matter is, if I could wave a magic wand and look up the next day with black and all minorities suddenly doing as well in HS, scoring as well on the ACT/SAT, graduating from college at the same rate and producing in society at that same rates as Whites(or hell, really as well as Asians), I'd call that a HUGE success.
I get no joy whatsoever from the lack of success in our society happening with minorities. I simply COMPLETELY disagree with almost all of the prescribed remedies put out there by government. I believe that most of them are completely ineffectual and waste government resources while some I'd go so far as to say MAGNIFY the problem.
What pisses me off about many on the left is that they seem to believe that if THEY see a problem and prescribe a solution that disagreeing with that solution can ONLY be motivated by hatred because there's NO WAY their solution wont work.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:05 am to trackfan
The middle class white suburbs generally aren't full of shootings, armed robbery, aggravated assault, and murders over territory to sell drugs.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:07 am to ASTL
But Rand wasn't talking about violent drug offenders.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am to trackfan
Ok. Still a nugget of personal responsibility there. If you know police monitor your community, why continue to rack up dumb charges for marijuana or whatever your particular vice is?
I don't agree that a lot of marijuana possessions end in big sentences sometimes, but jeez, put the shite down or figure a better way to get away from cops.
I don't agree that a lot of marijuana possessions end in big sentences sometimes, but jeez, put the shite down or figure a better way to get away from cops.
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