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re: Not every or all _______ are bad
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:39 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:39 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:That is false. People are individuals. Every person in a free country is autonomous, and in control of their own mind and religion. Unless, of course, you view people anthropologically. I believe in individualism. Your worldview frightens me, as if people were statistics. That worldview always leads to destruction.
the vast majority of people did not choose their religion, it was chosen for them
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 3:40 pm
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:41 pm to Revelator
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So the NAZI's committed their atrocities because of Christianity?
No, thought the inherent and longstanding distrust of jews by European Christians certainly didn't hurt Hitler's cause. He was able to prey upon that very effectively. The history of Christians and jews in Europe isn't something to be ignored there. People forget, or are simply never taught, that Hitler's segregation of the jews prior to WWII was largely supported by many Europeans, especially Spain, France and Italy.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:41 pm to genro
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That is false. People are individuals.
I'd say 90-95% of the religious people I know ascribe to the faith their parents introduced them to.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Christian Europe wasn't all that different from today's Middle East prior to the renaissance
It's 2014. How long before the Muslim culture gets up to let's say 1700?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:42 pm to The Spleen
quote:Noticed you said introduced, not forced.
I'd say 90-95% of the religious people I know ascribe to the faith their parents introduced them to.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:46 pm to genro
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That is false. People are individuals. Every person in a free country is autonomous, and in control of their own mind and religion. Unless, of course, you view people anthropologically.
Humanity is far less independent and "free" than we fancy ourselves. We are still largely driven by biological impulses, just on a much grander scale than other species are.
We are biologically programmed to believe what our parents tell us, because that was crucial for survival for the first 200,000 years or so of our existence. A child believes what their parent says about God for the same reason they believed what they told them about the lion in the brush thousands of years ago.
This is why the vast majority of Christian converts and reverts were raised n a home that was at least marginally Christian if only socially. The rates of "switching" between faith is still incredibly low, even in today's global society. It was virtually nonexistent prior to the 20th century.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:46 pm to Revelator
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So the NAZI's committed their atrocities because of Christianity?
No they committed their atrocities against Jews because they were brainwashed and/or forced into it, just as terrorists commit atrocities against others bc they are brainwashed and/or forced into it.
Now the Crusades were people committing atrocities bc they were Christians
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:It may be an apt observation, but I am not a fan of policy based on this observation. Just because people are sheep, doesn't mean you can herd them. The shepherd is an unknown vast force, no one person or group of people or government can control it or predict it. Every attempt leads to destruction.
Humanity is far less independent and "free" than we fancy ourselves. We are still largely driven by biological impulses, just on a much grander scale than other species are.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:52 pm to Zach
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It's 2014. How long before the Muslim culture gets up to let's say 1700?
This might be the first legitimately good question you've ever asked in a religion thread.
To answer you: When the West finds a new energy source that makes oil obsolete.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:52 pm to Tiger1242
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Now the Crusades were people committing atrocities bc they were Christians
Lol. You can find an excuse for everyone but those dirty Christians.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:54 pm to The Spleen
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I'd say 90-95% of the religious people I know ascribe to the faith their parents introduced them to.
And if 50% or more left the faith in which they were raised, what does your point mean? I submit "not a whole helluva lot."
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:54 pm to genro
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That is false. People are individuals. Every person in a free country is autonomous, and in control of their own mind and religion.
right. That's why religion is different by country.
Obviously there are exceptions, but don't act like you would've chosen something different if you had been born in Pakistan to muslim parents. Your view leads to the belief that only your group is correct, when the reality is your group is largely that way due to inertia.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:55 pm to the808bass
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Lol. You can find an excuse for everyone but those dirty Christians.
Hey, frick you man I am a Christian. I'm just pointing out that every religion has done terrible things in the past and we need to be careful throwing stones at a particular religion for the acts of some radical extremists
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:56 pm to genro
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The shepherd is an unknown vast force
The only real difference between us and the sheep is that we have mental capacity to ponder such things.
In essence, humanity is unique because we are the only animals with the ability to consider ourselves as such. Our self-awareness however doesn't change the fact that we exist for the exact same reason as every other living organism.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The social norms of a given society dictate how "religious" the majority of believers are.
But even American and European Muslims seem to have a much higher propensity for radicalization than other religions.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Our self-awareness however doesn't change the fact that we exist for the exact same reason as every other living organism.
So self-awareness changes exactly zero of our actions?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:58 pm to the808bass
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You can find an excuse for everyone but those dirty Christians.
Who is denying that Islam is the driving force behind most 21st century terrorism?
No sane person will argue otherwise.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:59 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Religion is different by individual
That's why religion is different by country.
quote:I won't, as long as you don't act like I wouldn't have. I also specified "free country" so this is not apt. Pakistan does not pass my freedom test.
Obviously there are exceptions, but don't act like you would've chosen something different if you had been born in Pakistan to muslim parents.
quote:Well that's certainly not universal, and you'd need a shitload of qualifiers.
Your view leads to the belief that only your group is correct
quote:I'm talking about the practice of applying perceptions of a group to an individual.
when the reality is your group is largely that way due to inertia.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:59 pm to Tiger1242
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Hey, frick you man I am a Christian.
Obviously.
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I'm just pointing out that every religion has done terrible things in the past and we need to be careful throwing stones at a particular religion for the acts of some radical extremists
I'm not a fan of picking and choosing where to utilize sociological theory. If it applies to modern Islam, it probably applies (at least in some measure) to medieval Christianity.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:01 pm to the808bass
I said a bad word so that makes me not Christian?
If you want to have a discussion about this lets have one, but if you're just going to come in here and stir stuff up what's the point?
Fair enough, but it's not like most major Islamic leaders are condoning what these guys are doing
If you want to have a discussion about this lets have one, but if you're just going to come in here and stir stuff up what's the point?
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I'm not a fan of picking and choosing where to utilize sociological theory. If it applies to modern Islam, it probably applies (at least in some measure) to medieval Christianity.
Fair enough, but it's not like most major Islamic leaders are condoning what these guys are doing
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