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re: Northwestern football players are trying to unionize
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:13 pm to sugar71
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:13 pm to sugar71
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I think the establishment will try to keep him on the outer fringes like they did with his father. Its truly sad.
Paying players will kill college football. May as well go ahead and start semi pro leagues for guys who don't want to go to college.
It will kill off many non revenue sports in the meantime.
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Paying players will kill college football.
Nah.
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May as well go ahead and start semi pro leagues for guys who don't want to go to college.
D-1 CFB is basically a semi-pro league already, tbh.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Paying players will kill college football.
Nah.
Sure it will. It will just highlight the absurdity of the "student athlete." It's a charade they've been dancing around for a long time.
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May as well go ahead and start semi pro leagues for guys who don't want to go to college.
D-1 CFB is basically a semi-pro league already, tbh.
Pretty much, but the "pro" status will soon divorce itself from collegiate life.
I don't think it's a bad thing. Many kids who attend school for revenue sports on scholarship wouldn't be admitted to the general student body without the sport. It's been a farce for a while.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
LSU will be right to play state vs the Michigan's whose players will receive pensions
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure it will. It will just highlight the absurdity of the "student athlete." It's a charade they've been dancing around for a long time.
That's kind of my point. Highlighting it ends the charade more than anything. Certainly not a death knell for the sport.
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Pretty much, but the "pro" status will soon divorce itself from collegiate life.
These guys are already "pros" at the major programs in every respect save getting overtly paid.
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Many kids who attend school for revenue sports on scholarship wouldn't be admitted to the general student body without the sport. It's been a farce for a while.
This.
I think we're kinda trying to say the same thing
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The problem is few schools actually make money on athletics. Many don't make money on football. Schools will start dropping sports.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I was really only talking about the major schools making money.
I know. It sucks, but I think that's for the best.
Better to have a few that have a shot at being profitable than bloated athletics programs constantly draining resources, IMO.
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Schools will start dropping sports.
I know. It sucks, but I think that's for the best.
Better to have a few that have a shot at being profitable than bloated athletics programs constantly draining resources, IMO.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I'd hate to see the payroll of some of the colleges if this happened. It may bankrupt the Red Elephant Club, which now that I wrote that, doesn't sound like a bad thing.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:35 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Better to have a few that have a shot at being profitable than bloated athletics programs constantly draining resources, IMO.
I think many schools will drop football and athletes gravitating towards football without academics. I see it as the beginning of the end of college athletics as we know it. You may still have club sports.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:35 pm to sugar71
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Free?
Tell that to those kids who go to practice, weight room, meetings,etc....30 hours a week or more.
They 'work' hard for those institutions.
NCAA has maximum of 20 hour a week of practice. I always thought that the players in the big 3 sports should get paid min wage for 20 hours since they aren't allowed to have jobs. For the other sports, let them have jobs, nobody is going to have a payroll for women's volleyball or mens swimming team
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The problem is few schools actually make money on athletics. Many don't make money on football. Schools will start dropping sports.
that is already happening thanks to title 9. Temple was just the most recent to announce it was dropping several sports
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:38 pm to EA6B
I guess they want to be taxed for their scholarships.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If this:
means this:
Then I'm cool with it.
Which I'm also fine with. Club sports are growing in popularity and are closer to the spirit of amateur athletics that the NCAA purported to promote in its inception.
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the beginning of the end of college athletics as we know it
means this:
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many schools will drop football and athletes gravitating towards football without academics.
Then I'm cool with it.
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You may still have club sports.
Which I'm also fine with. Club sports are growing in popularity and are closer to the spirit of amateur athletics that the NCAA purported to promote in its inception.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Which I'm also fine with. Club sports are growing in popularity and are closer to the spirit of amateur athletics that the NCAA purported to promote in its inception.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:44 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:21 am to bigblake
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:14 am to Toddy
Not certain how individuals not employed by a university can join a labor union and have said labor union negotiate on their behalf.
I think employment should be the starting point here.
I think employment should be the starting point here.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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May as well go ahead and start semi pro leagues for guys who don't want to go to college.
I mean, this DOES already happen in every other sport EXCEPT football.
Still.....there's a reason why a kid wants to play Basketball for Kentucky or Hockey for Michigan or Baseball at LSU. Baseball is probably the most honest of those 3 sports. That said, for everyone bitching about kids getting exploited, ask the kid why he isn't playing basketball for Milan, hockey for the Biloxi Ice Dogs, or baseball for the Brooklyn Cyclones.
Getting someone else to give you ~$50k in benefits (tuition, room and board, food, tutors, personal training) plus the fame and adoration of the fans while you prove yourself.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:41 am to willthezombie
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NCAA has maximum of 20 hour a week of practice. I always thought that the players in the big 3 sports should get paid min wage for 20 hours since they aren't allowed to have jobs. For the other sports, let them have jobs, nobody is going to have a payroll for women's volleyball or mens swimming team
Yeah they have a maximum of 20 hours of supervised practices ,but these players have hours of 'involuntary'(wink wink) workouts, training sessions, off season programs . THey claim these extra non supervised hours aren't mandatory(yeah right).
Let players start skipping these sessions & his dedication/work ethic is publicly questioned & if you aren t elite your year to year(not 4 years) based scholarship may be in jeooardy.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:42 am to BBONDS25
Cowheard made this same argument this morning. He said that if they are classified as employees, then their "earning's need to be taxed like a pipefitter's are. He also noted that the 3 main pro players' unions are paid for by the union dues the players themselves pay into the union. Who will pay the dues for a college player? Re the players not getting due revenue from jersey sales, he said that, realistically, only a very few college players, per team, would get that type of revenue, based on number of jersey's sold per player.
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