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re: Noam Chomsky says modern conservatives are actually " Radical"

Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:19 pm to
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:19 pm to
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Sorry bud, but alot of people were against the veitnam war. That doesn't make you a communist.
No but being a communist makes you a communist.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:19 pm to
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Sorry bud, but alot of people were against the veitnam war. That doesn't make you a communist.




Chomsky was actually pro-Khmer Rouge, no hyperbole. It took him decades to admit he may have been wrong. He's one of those far left radicals who has so much disdain for american foreign policy that he automatically assumes every adversary is a noble resistance force. He crossed the line from anti-Vietnam (a worthy protest) To apologist for every regime America opposes or intervenes against. See for example that dipshit Ramsey Clark.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:20 pm to
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Linguistics
So why is a professor emeritus of linguistics some huge authority on political matters?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38271 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:20 pm to
Yeah. And if JFK were alive today he'd be a damn Republican. Who gives a shite?
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
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What about liberals who currently want states rights on immigration?

You need to understand something, Conservatives don't want "new" levels of state's rights, we just want the EQUAL balance of power granted under the Constitution to be brought back.

Right now, the Federal Govt acts like a totalitarian state with superiority over the states in all realms.

The Fed Govt was only supposed to hold domain over the military, national defense, creation of money, negotiating with foreign countries (i.e. trade, alliances, policy relations, etc), regulating interstate and intercontinental commerce, and IMMIGRATION.

The Supremacy Clause was and is being grossly abused and misinterpreted to allow the Fed Govt to essentially monopolize nearly all domestic policy.

Immigration is a subset of National Security. It was never intended to belong to the states.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 7:24 pm
Posted by Bison
Truth or Consequences
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
And Abe lincoln was a republican. What conservatives need to understand is that they are the radical ones in the traditional since of the Constitution. Instead of maybe gun rights. Look at the push to silence the free speech of the media. It's unconstitutional to try to control the media
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32681 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:23 pm to
I'm surprised there're so many people that just think Chomsky is a typical liberal democrat. He's proud of his radicalism.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:26 pm to
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Chomsky was actually pro-Khmer Rouge, no hyperbole. It took him decades to admit he may have been wrong.
It's not even completely fair to say he admitted he was wrong because he STILL doesn't understand that the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge were the completely natural and expected outcropping of their ideology.

An ideology he never stopped supporting.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38271 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:26 pm to
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And Abe lincoln was a republican. What conservatives need to understand is that they are the radical ones in the traditional since of the Constitution. Instead of maybe gun rights. Look at the push to silence the free speech of the media. It's unconstitutional to try to control the media


Each party has moved more left in recent years. Good for the GOP. Very bad for the Dems. The fact you use this as a talking point shows your stupidity.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:28 pm to
Noam Chomsky is probably the most famous North American Communist of all time because people don't remember John Reed.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 7:29 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:28 pm to
Taft is the last one huh?
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:31 pm to
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And Abe lincoln was a republican. What conservatives need to understand is that they are the radical ones in the traditional since of the Constitution. Instead of maybe gun rights. Look at the push to silence the free speech of the media. It's unconstitutional to try to control the media

You're being intellectually dishonest.

You can't call CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo "Media" with a straight face when you know damn well they are Leftwing ACTIVIST organizations pushing a Leftist agenda.

The "media" is supposed to be objective and impartial.

Now that said, nobody is trying to forcibly "silence" any of these activist organizations. Calling them fake news and berating and criticizing them is no where close to an attempt to physically silence them.

Stop being dishonest.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23182 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:32 pm to
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Yeah thats probably why he's held a position at MIT for over 50 years. That school has totally gone to shite , amirite


It's a tech and science school, it didn't build its reputation on the back of the Chomskys and Grubers
Posted by Bison
Truth or Consequences
Member since Dec 2016
1236 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:39 pm to
First of all, don't call me stupid.

Second. Yeah I know parties shifted , my point is that classical conservatism is nothing like modern conservatism. That being said, modern conservatives have some truly radical ideals that they try to pass of as " constiutional "
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:42 pm to
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So why is a professor emeritus of linguistics some huge authority on political matters?

His area of expertise is how language emerges from biology--he's probably the seminal thinker in that area. But he's also spent decades exploring human intelligence (I'm not a linguist, but I incorporate his work in philosophy and brain development into my courses).

Somewhere along the line he became disgusted with neoliberalism and launched himself into the domain of political activism. I agree with very little of what he says, but he always challenges me.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:43 pm to
Don't post stupid stuff if you don't want to be called stupid. Federalists are as close to classic conservatism as you can get. The federalist papers framed the constitution. You are claiming federalist and constitutionalists are radical. That is stupid. Using a linguist as your authority is stupid. Like I said...don't post stupid stuff if you don't want to be called stupid. Stupid.
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
6069 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:46 pm to
Even if you entertain his argument and play his game , he still doesn't have a valid argument.

So your state wants its own say so on immigration?
Fine ...how you gonna keep your immigrants outta my state that has deemed it illegal?

If weed is legal in your state , it still may not be in mine, so it's a crime. Gay marriage may be legal in your state , but not in mine, so the marriage isn't recognized as legal in MY state.

If undocumented immigration is legal in your state , it's still illegal in mine . Your illegals shouldn't cross your border into mine or they will be breaking the law , right?

If your state wants it, go for it, but be prepared to take the consequences of tax payer responsibility solely for your state.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:47 pm to
I agree with you that he is brilliant. And I admire both of you for being professors. I taught a college course for 4 years. It was one of the most tedious things I've ever done. I had parents of 21 year olds calling me to complain about their kids grades.

While I admire his brilliance and profession...his thoughts on politics are as important to me as tx tiger's thoughts on 9/11.
Posted by WNCTigah
Member since Sep 2016
308 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:48 pm to
I agree with the 'radical' aspect and to some extent the free speech issue, but they are no more guilty of pushing to silence free speech than 'liberals' ie the liberal rallying cry as if late that 'hate speech is not free speech' (which it is). Jefferson couldn't think of a group that he disagreed more with than the Baptists, yet he staunchly defended their liberties. I am not writing this to defend 'conservatives' but more so to say that the goal of both sides is to eliminate liberties. They just simply attack them behind a different disguise.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:51 pm to
He's correct, although he was saying this (in the video) in the 1980s.
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