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No executions in Arkansas last night
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:27 am
Well, the courts once again overruled the law of the state's wishes last night. All the murderers are safe and sound this morning.
There was one interesting development however. Remember me telling you guys a couple of days about the judge Wendell Griffen, a black state judge, ordered the initial stay of the executions and later in the day participated in a anti-execution rally at the Govs mansion and I said there was all kind of wrong associated with that, well the Arkansas state supreme court appears to agree with me.
Yesterday the state SC stripped Griffen of his authority to preside over any death related cases. He also is now being investigated for ethics violations by the state Judicial Discipline and disability commission.
There was one interesting development however. Remember me telling you guys a couple of days about the judge Wendell Griffen, a black state judge, ordered the initial stay of the executions and later in the day participated in a anti-execution rally at the Govs mansion and I said there was all kind of wrong associated with that, well the Arkansas state supreme court appears to agree with me.
Yesterday the state SC stripped Griffen of his authority to preside over any death related cases. He also is now being investigated for ethics violations by the state Judicial Discipline and disability commission.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:29 am to Homesick Tiger
We waste so much money on prisoners. Just throw them into a hole or something and feed them a bologna sandwich a day.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:34 am to rpg37
I don't see what the hub bub is about. These people have been convicted and sentenced to death. What is stopping them from carrying out the sentence that was handed down from a jury?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:42 am to rpg37
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We waste so much money on prisoners. Just throw them into a hole or something and feed them a bologna sandwich a day.
This is so much cheaper than the DP. Pretty much why I'm against it. As long as people are still being exonerated (roughly 10% the number of people executed since it's been reimplements have been exonerated), it's not going to get any cheaper, so the "let's speed it up and it wouldn't cost so much" argument holds no weight with me.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:45 am to TigernMS12
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As long as people are still being exonerated (roughly 10% the number of people executed since it's been reimplements have been exonerated),
Are you saying that one out of every ten people EXECUTED have been found to be NOT GUILTY post mortem?
Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you. Link please.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:57 am to mtntiger
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Are you saying that one out of every ten people EXECUTED have been found to be NOT GUILTY post mortem?
I think the number is way lower than that but as long as it is above 0% we shouldn't be executing people.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:58 am to mtntiger
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As long as people are still being exonerated (roughly 10% the number of people executed since it's been reimplements have been exonerated),
Are you saying that one out of every ten people EXECUTED have been found to be NOT GUILTY post mortem?
Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you. Link please.
No, that was poorly worded: The DP was reinstitute in 1976 in Gregg v. GA. Since then, we have executed 1448 people (Numbers), and during that time we have exonerated 157 people on death row (Numbers: scroll down a bit). 1448/157=9.22%
My overall point was, as long as we are getting it wrong at this rate, the argument to speed the process up is irrelevant. To my knowledge, there has been one person found innocent post-modum (from TX). It wasn't official (by court) because TX paid a huge settlement to stop the wrongful death case from moving forward (if I'm remembering correctly).
Still, the process is slow, and they have all the appeals for a reason: Nearly 10% of people sentenced to death are exonerated. I'll also add that only a small percentage of those are due to new DNA testing. Only 20 of the 157 were due to DNA testing. LINK
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:02 am to TigernMS12
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No, that was poorly worded: The DP was reinstitute in 1976 in Gregg v. GA. Since then, we have executed 1448 people (Numbers), and during that time we have exonerated 157 people on death row (Numbers: scroll down a bit). 1448/157=9.22%
That's a strange argument. If you want to use relevant statistics you should figure out the percentage exonerated vs. of the total number of people on death row.
total on death row/157=?
There are cases of people exonerated post mortem but it pretty rare.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:04 am to Haughton99
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That's a strange argument. If you want to use relevant statistics you should figure out the percentage exonerated vs. of the total number of people on death row.
Not when the argument is normally we should take them out back and shoot them once convicted. The only reason for using my argument is that we shouldn't make it easier to carry out an execution.
You can use whatever numbers you want (I choose those), but it doesn't change the fact that 157 people have been exonerated that would have been executed if we didn't have the process. Personally, I don't know these people and wouldn't loose sleep if their executions were wrongfully carried out. It wouldn't be right, but I just don't get upset over things of that nature. What bothers me is we cling to a system that costs a hell of a lot more and reaches the same result eventually.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:06 am to Homesick Tiger
congrats, your state is more like Europe than Africa the Middle East China and SE Asia
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:07 am to Haughton99
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I think the number is way lower than that but as long as it is above 0% we shouldn't be executing people.
Death penalty should only be used when the evidence is completely irrefutable, such as being on video or something.
And we should execute inmates using a low O2 or high CO environment. Cheap as hell and completely humane. Inmates will become euphoric and then go to sleep forever.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:08 am to TigernMS12
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Not when the argument is normally we should take them out back and shoot them once convicted. The only reason for using this argument is that we shouldn't make it easier to carry out an execution.
I agree, but honestly the low IQ mouthbreathers that think we should just take them out back and shoot them aren't really worth the effort. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation when one side lacks any.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:10 am to Haughton99
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That's a strange argument. If you want to use relevant statistics you should figure out the percentage exonerated vs. of the total number of people on death row.
total on death row/157=?
Just to follow up, there are 2902 people on death row, but that number is fluid (people on death row die from natural causes, execution, or are exonerated) and changes often monthly. Another reason why I choose to use hard numbers.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:13 am to i am dan
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Death penalty should only be used when the evidence is completely irrefutable, such as being on video or something.
Our standard of guilt is "beyond any reasonable doubt" for all crimes. It should already be irrefutable if convicted. Once we attempt to craft some sort of higher standard, then we are saying our "beyond any reasonable doubt" is not really what it is, which casts a shadow over every other person convicted under that standard.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:13 am to TigernMS12
The Arkansas 7:
1. slaying of Jane Daniel
2. murder of Carol Heath. Children saw their mother and the man fight, she saw her mother on the floor bleeding, and that the man was next to her mother, holding a knife
3. Convicted and sentenced to Death for raping and murdering a bookkeeper and beating her 11-year-old daughter. On June 6th, 1995, 34-year-old Mary Phillips and her daughter, Lacy, were at a Bald Knob accounting office when Jones entered the office and robbed them. Lacy lost consciousness and was left for dead. When she awoke, police were taking photographs of her. Mary Phillips was found nude from the waist down with a cord from a nearby coffee pot wrapped around her neck. She also had been hit about the head and had bruises on her arms and back.
4. beating and strangling death of Debra Reese, 26, in the Sunnyside addition, where he had attacked several other women. He was also convicted of raping two Jacksonville women and was tried for the murder of Christine Lewis, daughter of the late Alderman Robert Lewis. Lee was also suspected of killing a Jacksonville prostitute and dumping her body in a shed near the railroad tracks. Lewis, 22, was abducted from her Sunnyside home in November 1989 as her 3-year-old child watched. She was raped and strangled and her body dumped in the closet of an abandoned home. DNA evidence tied Lee to the murders and rapes. Reese was struck 36 times with a tire tool her husband gave her for protection while he was out of town on a truck driving job. Lee, who had just been paroled after serving time for burglary, was arrested an hour after the murder when witnesses reported seeing him walking the street.
5. The group then bound his hands and took him to an abandoned house in Omaha, where they beat him again, cut him and burned him. Finally, McGehee and two others took turns strangling him until he died.
6. Convicted of the capital murder of eighteen-year-old Rebecca Doss
7. slaying of 57 year old Cecil Boren after Williams broke out of the Cummins Unit at
Varner. He had been serving a sentence of life without parole in the slaying of University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff cheerleader Dominique "Nikki" Hurd
1. slaying of Jane Daniel
2. murder of Carol Heath. Children saw their mother and the man fight, she saw her mother on the floor bleeding, and that the man was next to her mother, holding a knife
3. Convicted and sentenced to Death for raping and murdering a bookkeeper and beating her 11-year-old daughter. On June 6th, 1995, 34-year-old Mary Phillips and her daughter, Lacy, were at a Bald Knob accounting office when Jones entered the office and robbed them. Lacy lost consciousness and was left for dead. When she awoke, police were taking photographs of her. Mary Phillips was found nude from the waist down with a cord from a nearby coffee pot wrapped around her neck. She also had been hit about the head and had bruises on her arms and back.
4. beating and strangling death of Debra Reese, 26, in the Sunnyside addition, where he had attacked several other women. He was also convicted of raping two Jacksonville women and was tried for the murder of Christine Lewis, daughter of the late Alderman Robert Lewis. Lee was also suspected of killing a Jacksonville prostitute and dumping her body in a shed near the railroad tracks. Lewis, 22, was abducted from her Sunnyside home in November 1989 as her 3-year-old child watched. She was raped and strangled and her body dumped in the closet of an abandoned home. DNA evidence tied Lee to the murders and rapes. Reese was struck 36 times with a tire tool her husband gave her for protection while he was out of town on a truck driving job. Lee, who had just been paroled after serving time for burglary, was arrested an hour after the murder when witnesses reported seeing him walking the street.
5. The group then bound his hands and took him to an abandoned house in Omaha, where they beat him again, cut him and burned him. Finally, McGehee and two others took turns strangling him until he died.
6. Convicted of the capital murder of eighteen-year-old Rebecca Doss
7. slaying of 57 year old Cecil Boren after Williams broke out of the Cummins Unit at
Varner. He had been serving a sentence of life without parole in the slaying of University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff cheerleader Dominique "Nikki" Hurd
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:14 am to Peter Venkman
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I don't see what the hub bub is about. These people have been convicted and sentenced to death. What is stopping them from carrying out the sentence that was handed down from a jury?
The reason there was the hurry to execute them very quickly was that one of the drugs they use in executions, Midazolam, will expire at the end of April.
Also the company which supplies the drug, does not want it associated with lethal injection and executions since it is still very widely used as a sedative in the medical setting
One of the big arguments is that Midazolam does not provide adequate analgesia and causes the person to be executed severe pain which makes the execution "cruel and unusual punishment". This particular point is up to debate. It was shot down by the Oklahoma supreme court, but lately there have been many botched lethal injections when this drug was used raising new doubts.
Fox News
CNN
NY Times
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:14 am to Haughton99
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I agree, but honestly the low IQ mouthbreathers that think we should just take them out back and shoot them aren't really worth the effort. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation when one side lacks any.
it's pretty funny how much faith they put in the justice system, which boils down to the jury vote of 12 typically uninformed hicks. See West Memphis.
i'm not anti capital punishment by any means but way too many people get wrongfully convicted in our courts
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:18 am to TigernMS12
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Our standard of guilt is "beyond any reasonable doubt" for all crimes. It should already be irrefutable if convicted. Once we attempt to craft some sort of higher standard, then we are saying our "beyond any reasonable doubt" is not really what it is, which casts a shadow over every other person convicted under that standard.
We have a court of appeals for a reason. Our jury system is not perfect and decisions are overturned daily. It is the higher standard and is a necessity.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:19 am to Palmetto08
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Palmetto08
Your point is? I work with/around some of the worst criminals on a daily/weekly basis. You're not going to shock and awe me into an emotional "kill them all" response by posting what they did. I've been apart of the defense, prosecution, and appeals process (on the defense side) of some pretty fricked up shite, including capital crimes.
My argument is based on rationale thought: It will cost more to kill those people via lethal injection when it's all said and done than if they would have been sentenced to LWOP from the get go.
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