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re: National Archives boss: IRS did not "follow the law" on lost Lerner e-mails
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:22 pm to Rex
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:22 pm to Rex
quote:Then the Commissioner of the IRS lied to Congress when he told them that Lerner had emails that could not be recovered.
No, we don't know that.
Why are there emails to and from Lerner that were produced under a Freedom of Information Act request of other agencies that the IRS has said it is unable to produce? Denying facts won't win you any arguments.
quote:Where is your confidence? Why didn't you write all of which were copied from her required prints to paper?
many of which were copied from her required prints to paper.
quote:The Commissioner of the IRS had an affirmative duty to inform the National Archivist of the loss or destruction of federal records. It should be pretty easy to provide evidence of the National Archivist being informed about the loss of federal records from every computer crash relevant to this investigation.
The Archives Director has no way of knowing if actual Federal records were actually lost, and neither do you.
quote:If the IRS routinely suffers 2,200 computer crashes per year, don't you think it would be prudent for the IRS to have a system in place to backup the data on all of its computers? What are the procedures for backing up the data on IRS computer hard drives?
In fact, there's no reason to believe Lerner didn't routinely perform her required duties, and it strikes me as rather improbable that the IRS doesn't comply with law regarding the National Archives when Lerner's crash was only one of 2200 that occur annually within the organization.
Every excuse you make stinks of desperation and requires greater incompetence from the IRS. At some point you will have to concede that the simplest explanation, Lerner had something to hide and she attempted to hide it, is the only reasonable explanation. You won't admit it because it would require an answer to the question you don't want asked which is why she did it.
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:33 pm to Poodlebrain
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Then the Commissioner of the IRS lied to Congress when he told them that Lerner had emails that could not be recovered.
No, he didn't... for the umpteenth time, not all emails have to be printed to paper. There would have been lost emails that didn't qualify as Federal records, and thus had no reason to be printed. At the same time, there is no reason yet to believe that Lerner didn't print those she was required by policy to print.
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The Commissioner of the IRS had an affirmative duty to inform the National Archivist of the loss or destruction of federal records.
Once again, you don't know if emails that qualify as Federal records were lost, and as of now, since Federal records have to be printed to paper and we should presume that Lerner did her job routinely, there's no reason to believe any were.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:34 pm to Rex
Right. 
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:40 pm to Poodlebrain
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Lerner cannot use ignorance of the Federal Records Act, or the IRS policies and procedures for compliance contained in the Internal Revenue Manual, as an excuse for not having printed copies of her emails.
Request her training records. I'm certain the IRS required her to complete training on the privacy act, records management and so on....citing dept policy where applicable
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:43 pm to Quidam65
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National Archives boss: IRS did not "follow the law" on lost Lerner e-mails
Republican conspiracy theory. Phoney Scandal.
Lerner being witchhunt
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:45 pm to Jbird
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Right.
Rex, is one obtuse former you tube actor.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:52 pm to Rex
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They're somewhere in the past... I didn't bookmark them.
Then your allegation is suspect. Come on man.
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I have no reason to make it up...
Other than to undermine his credibility because he disagrees with you.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:02 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Then your allegation is suspect. Come on man.
It is in fact a smear, as the accused has denied it, and the accuser has produced no evidence.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:10 pm to Broke
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I don't get upset easily but this pisses me the frick off. Do they think we are so stupid that we don't smell this bullshite a country mile away? Stop treating us like we are idiots and give us these fricking emails.
CNN did a piece on the IRS hearings an hour ago. Not on the emails specifically, but on how awesome Koskinen is and how terrible Republicans are for going after him.
They don't think the public is stupid, they know the public is stupid.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:16 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Then your allegation is suspect. Come on man.
It's not suspect with the only person who counts... myself. I have no reason to make it up. Like I said, I don't back down from anyone here.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:37 pm to Rex
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It's not suspect with the only person who counts... myself.
If you had any credibility, it would be in question.
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Like I said, I don't back down from anyone here.
No you don't, you're a total badass
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:29 pm to Rex
quote:You mean emails like the email from Lois Lerner to Nicole Flax dated May 8, 2013 that the IRS was unable to provide Congress, but Judicial Watch obtained through a Freedom of Information Act Request? LINK Almost 3 years after the crash of her computer and Lerner was still not printing copies of emails created and received in the transaction of IRS business. The "my computer crashed" excuse doesn't work for 2013. Lois Lerner has a demonstrated pattern of not retaining government records. She may be entitled to the benefit of doubt in a criminal court, but the evidence demonstrating her pattern of repeated violations of IRS policies is beyond reasonable doubt at this point.
No, he didn't... for the umpteenth time, not all emails have to be printed to paper.
quote:Sorry, but there is evidence to the contrary of emails as recent as May of 2013 that Lerner did not make the appropriate printed copies of. As such Lerner has lost the right to the presumption that she performed her responsibilities in accordance with IRS policies. Or do you dispute the article I linked above?
Once again, you don't know if emails that qualify as Federal records were lost, and as of now, since Federal records have to be printed to paper and we should presume that Lerner did her job routinely, there's no reason to believe any were.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:30 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:45 pm to dante
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i have been saying that the whole time. The government does not hold itself accountable to the same standards as the private sector.
And how dare you or anyone else suggest that its even worth a penny of the tax payers money to investigate. Can't you see we are too busy handing 14 billion out in improper benefits through medicare??
LINK
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:46 pm to Rex
quote:What a douche bag.
It's not suspect with the only person who counts... myself.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:51 pm to son of arlo
quote:Nice analogy. I, for one, find it hilarious how Rex is being played by the Administration's smoke screen. Gullible.
I'll play along. John Wayne Gacy lived over 18980 days. We only really care about ~33 of those days.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:53 pm to Rex
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Once again, you don't know if emails that qualify as Federal records were lost,
neither do you. Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:03 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Not a smidgen of doubt for this poor silly bastard.
Once again, you don't know if emails that qualify as Federal records were lost, neither do you.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:07 pm to Jbird
According to Gerald, it's just "old computers". Too bad no one invented backup systems until Windows 7.
Oh... and Obama's take on all of this? Direct quote from whitehouse.gov
Apparently e-mail isn't included in "new technology"
Oh... and Obama's take on all of this? Direct quote from whitehouse.gov
quote:
My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.
Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.
Apparently e-mail isn't included in "new technology"
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:08 pm to Rex
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I don't back down from anyone here.
Not even a smidgen.
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