re: My feeling on capitalism

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Holy lord, man. I'm saying our poor are not starving, in fact, quit the opposite....which never happened before in human history.

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Yes, I know. They're fat because of fake food, there have been poor people and cultures before capitalism that have been properly fed with real food. Making your point not a point.

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Never heard that explanation before. Do you have a source or link I can check out?


ETA: just saw the link above. Do you have any other studies besides Spain?

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Be Less Lazy.

I'm sorry, I'm not going to waste time educating you on side things. If you want to research you have the tools to do it.

The only skinny/starving ones I see here are the ones that use their benefits to buy drugs, booze etc. Can't fix stupid. Let'em die off. More for the rest of us. It's nature's way. Do you hate nature?

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They're fat because they CHOOSE to eat fake food. They could afford to eat healthy if they wanted to.

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There is a lot to say on this.. No possible way can it all be said properly.

Do they have a fair choice? If they don't then this point isn't a point. So let's examine.

Bad food is being subsidized and made cheaper while organic requires certification and hoops that cost money. That influences the fairness of the choice, not to mention the unfairness of non stop marketing and the convenience (locations and availibility everywhere) of fast food and junk food thanks to the leverage in a system built by and for big corporation.

We can talk about how eating truly healthy (not marketings version of healthy) is inconvenient and sometimes illegal, but that requires an essay, much like most of this stuff.

The point that poor people 'choose' is not very meaningful because it's not a fair choice, the choice is very tainted from the start, everything about the way of life tilts the scale in favor of the system.

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Starvation was COMMON before capitalism. It has been RARE in countries that adopted it.

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There are cultures that were properly fed, even with abundance before capitalism. Your point that this is the first time poor people are fat is only true by default, which makes it a bad point.

There was a lot of bad before capitalism, the fact that there was lots of starving before capitalism isn't a point against me because what came before it (in your mind, because I'm sure you're not including anything tribal or premodern history) was pretty awful. Fuedalism, colonialism, the dark ages, on and on.

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I was giving you an opportunity to present your best evidence...you know, what debates are normally all about.

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No, you were asking for further examples. You like to sit back and make comments on complex things without any accountability, you want to get into big kids talks without basic knowledge of history and you're unwilling look anything up on your own. Rural populations have been drawn into cities in various ways over the last century which has taken people that used to have food and shelter provided by the land who were statistically impoverished and turned them into wage laborers who are no longer impoverished if they make $2 a day, but now they're working a crappy job and barely affording their basic needs if they're lucky, all in a more stressful and unhealthy environment. But poverty rates are down.

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I'm sorry, I'm not going to waste time educating you on side things. If you want to research you have the tools to do it.

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The point that poor people 'choose' is not very meaningful because it's not a fair choice, the choice is very tainted from the start, everything about the way of life tilts the scale in favor of the system.

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Hogwash. There is only one thing that causes obesity--an excess of calories. The form of intake makes little difference. If people are fat, they are eating more than they need to. (Barring some other medical condition).

The idea that someone is 5-10, 290 lbs and malnourished is silliness.

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Inequailty, greed, and war have all dramatically decreased since the implementation of capitalism.

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What did I just read?

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My post.

Apparently what you need to read is a history book.

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You seem to believe there are only 2 options: Shop at Whole Foods or be fat.

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Marketing works!

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You seem to believe there are only 2 options: Shop at Whole Foods or be fat.

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Absolutely not, and I've said nothing to make you think that. You're filling in blanks with false assumptions.

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Not only has our system eliminated starvation in this country, but we send billions in food-aid all over the world.

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The food we send has done more harm than good, giving little African babies peanut butter an jelly has caused a domino effect of problems, which is why smarter organizations now focus on planting things like Moringa trees instead of giving them a diet of bleached flour and sugar.

Our system has also stripped areas of their natural resources, the fact we've sent back crappy food that triggers disease isn't a fair trade off.

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Unfortunately, it's typical liberal scapegoatism. People aren't responsible for their choices, system's fault, stacked deck... etc.

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People are responsible for their choices, all that stuff is right on. But to fail to access the truth doesn't do anyone any good. It's true that the crops that make the junk food get subsidized while it costs extra to do it organically. Its true that the big fast food chains have great leverage in the system, and everything about our daily lives favors the convenience of fast food. A lot more can be said on this but the point is that the choice is not a fair one, it's not an even playing field.

"SpidermanTUba..8 page thread...let me see how many downvotes it has."