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re: More and more doctors opting out of Obamacare
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:13 pm to Revelator
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:13 pm to Revelator
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and yet onee conservative on the supreme court let this travesty live.
Can you imagine what the left had on John Roberts? No telling what the NSA provided to the White House to make him vote that way.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:23 pm to Lsut81
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And how is THIS a March to national healthcare?
In his fairy-tale world, public dissatisfaction with Ogumpcare will lead to single payer.
Reality and objective evidence would point in the opposite direction:
LINK
This study was conducted before Ogumpcare became law. Note that Germany (which has a system based on forcing people to buy junk insurance and is the closest established model to Obamacare) has the worst public satisfaction. Yet they haven't changed to single payer.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:31 pm to asurob1
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But I am happy to see this...the march to National Healthcare continues.
Believe me, you don't want National Healthcare.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I've yet to meet a single attending of mine who is on board with healthcare reform as it currently exists.
I've had some vocalize support, at least to some degree.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:59 pm to Revelator
quote:I think the number of active doctors is a little low.
Over 214,000 doctors won't participate in the new plans under the Affordable Care Act (ACA,) analysis of a new survey by Medical Group Management Association shows. That number of 214,524, estimated by American Action Forum, is through May 2014, but appears to be growing due to plans that force doctors to take on burdensome costs. It's also about a quarter of the total number of 893,851 active professional physicians reported by the Kaiser Family Foundation. In January, an estimated 70% of California's physicians were not participating in Covered California plans.
I also would be curious how many of the "out of ObamaCare" doctors perform elective surgery that normally wouldn't be covered by a health plan. The study only says that the number "appears to be growing" and doesn't actually offer proof that the number is in fact growing.
Although interest in whether the number is growing or not may only be relevant to people interested in facts.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:00 pm to asurob1
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But I am happy to see this...the march to National Healthcare continues.
It's comical how hard the left pitched Obamacare and now that it's undeniably a travesty, the left ignores it and starts pitching National Healthcare and the single payer system.
When that goes to shite one of two things will happen:
1) Conservatives will somehow be blamed for single payer failing
2) Liberals will stick their fingers in their ears and deny that the quality of healthcare is bottom tier
I mean, it's mind boggling how you can support something so hard, have it be a ginormous failure, then plow ahead with even more asinine ideas that will also be a travesty.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:05 pm to mmcgrath
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Although interest in whether the number is growing or not may only be relevant to people interested in facts.
Well if you are so interested in facts, why don't you provide proof that the number isn't growing instead of just insinuating that the people who wrote this article are lying?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:06 pm to dcrews
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I mean, it's mind boggling how you can support something so hard, have it be a ginormous failure, then plow ahead with even more asinine ideas that will also be a travesty.
That's liberalism, yet they'll never admit how dumb they were, and how they duped all those people even dumber than they are.....
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:10 pm to Revelator
quote:So I should prove a negative? And it isn't the report writers who are lying, it is you by misrepresenting what they wrote in your OP.
Well if you are so interested in facts, why don't you provide proof that the number isn't growing instead of just insinuating that the people who wrote this article are lying?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:33 pm to mmcgrath
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So I should prove a negative? And it isn't the report writers who are lying, it is you by misrepresenting what they wrote in your OP.
I gave a direct quote from the story with no commentary so how am I lying jackwang?!
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That number of 214,524, estimated by American Action Forum, is through May 2014, but appears to be growing
Growing, is synonymous with more.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:44 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Actually National Health Care is not bad at all.
I was in Finland six years ago and had some sweet and sour soup at a chinese place. Turns out there was shrimp in it and because I have a shellfish allergy I had a reaction.
An ambulance was called and arrived and I was taken to a Helsinki hospital and injected up and spent the night. Examined the next day and discharged. Cost? Zero. Health care is provided in that country like oxygen and water is. Of course income tax is higher. But if you get sick you don't have to worry.
I wish the USA was like this./
I was in Finland six years ago and had some sweet and sour soup at a chinese place. Turns out there was shrimp in it and because I have a shellfish allergy I had a reaction.
An ambulance was called and arrived and I was taken to a Helsinki hospital and injected up and spent the night. Examined the next day and discharged. Cost? Zero. Health care is provided in that country like oxygen and water is. Of course income tax is higher. But if you get sick you don't have to worry.
I wish the USA was like this./
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:53 pm to Eurocat
How much time have you spent in VAs?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:01 pm to Eurocat
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wish the USA was like this./
I bet you do, but that wouldn't work here. The amount of tax increases would be staggering. Who would perform the services? Doctors aren't going a few hundred thousand in debt,give up 8 years of their lives, work for 60-80 grand, and liable for millions in malpractice for each patient contact....its just insane to think they would even buy into that system without huge changes up and down the system. They could get jobs in the private sector, and not have to put up with the Gov't bureaucracy that is Medicine today.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:11 pm to Reubaltaich
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Indian reservation style doctor offices/hospitals, just like they do with the casino's.
There is a legitimate business opportunity here.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:42 pm to Eurocat
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More and more doctors opting out of Obamacare
Actually National Health Care is not bad at all.
I was in Finland six years ago and had some sweet and sour soup at a chinese place. Turns out there was shrimp in it and because I have a shellfish allergy I had a reaction.
An ambulance was called and arrived and I was taken to a Helsinki hospital and injected up and spent the night. Examined the next day and discharged. Cost? Zero. Health care is provided in that country like oxygen and water is. Of course income tax is higher. But if you get sick you don't have to worry.
I wish the USA was like this./
You mean a homogenous, upper middle class society of 5.4 million?
Comparing usa to Finland.
Unreal....
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:34 am to Revelator
quote:quote:Growing, is synonymous with more.
That number of 214,524, estimated by American Action Forum, is through May 2014, but appears to be growing
Unfortunately for you the verb in the sentence is "appears" as in give the appearance of something. The article, unlike your OP, never states it as fact.
Do you understand all of that or do you need a little help? Maybe if you try to list the facts presented in your source it might help.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:12 am to mmcgrath
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Do you understand all of that or do you need a little help? Maybe if you try to list the facts presented in your source it might help.
You obviously don't like the subject matter and instead chose to nit pick the title of my post. Stop being a baby and just admit your problem is with your leaders failing project and not my post.
Here are some more sites that are obviously lying.
LINK
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 2:22 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:18 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Believe me, you don't want National Healthcare.
Oh believe me I do.
But then again, I give a shite about my countrymen.
Unlike most of you rejects.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:19 am to Eurocat
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An ambulance was called and arrived and I was taken to a Helsinki hospital and injected up and spent the night. Examined the next day and discharged. Cost? Zero. Health care is provided in that country like oxygen and water is. Of course income tax is higher. But if you get sick you don't have to worry.
I wish the USA was like this./
We will see something like this in my lifetime.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:08 am to Eurocat
You knew you were allergic to shellfish and ate soup without asking what was in it??
You would have also gotten an ambulance ride and emergency medical treatment right here in the good old USA.
Difference is, you would have paid for it which I think is quite reasonable given your boneheaded mistake.
You would have also gotten an ambulance ride and emergency medical treatment right here in the good old USA.
Difference is, you would have paid for it which I think is quite reasonable given your boneheaded mistake.
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