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re: Minority Voting If Rand Paul wins the GOP nomination in 2016

Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:43 pm to
BO attended his church for what? like 15+ years? and he claims he never heard any of that crazy shite the Rev spewed?

that requires a suspension of disbelief that i do not possess
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:45 pm to
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That statement comes across as pretty damn disingenuous when you posted the following a month ago (Feb. 22nd):

"If Rand Paul were to run against Hillary, Hillary's hawkish foreign policy would force me to vote for Paul. I hate neocons regardless of whether they have an R behind their name or a D."

So yesterday's speech ISN'T what your Rand over Hillary decision is based upon, right?

I don't really see what your point is. I only repeated what I said earlier. The only difference is that since my earlier post, I've moved even closer to Paul and further from Hillary, based on subsequent events and speeches. All you have to do is check my post history if you think I'm double-talking.
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:12 pm to
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BO attended his church for what? like 15+ years? and he claims he never heard any of that crazy shite the Rev spewed?

That's not true. He are Obama's exact words regarding Wright from his speech on race given on 3/18/04:

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"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."


You may find this surprising, but you would be hard pressed to find any Black folks who aren't related to or friends with people who sound just like Jeremiah Wright. I remember at the time the Wright tapes came out, my mother said that White folks would be shocked if they knew how many Black folks over the age of 60 feel the same way Wright does. Here's how The New York Times' Nicholas Kristof summed it up at the time:

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noted Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a political scientist at Princeton (and former member of Trinity church, when she lived in Chicago). “One of the things fascinating to me watching these responses to Jeremiah Wright is that white Americans find his beliefs so fringe or so extreme. When if you’ve spent time in black communities, they are not shared by everyone, but they are pretty common beliefs.”

Occasionally, we’ve had glimpses of this gulf between white and black America. Right after the O.J. Simpson murder trial, a CBS News poll found that 6 out of 10 whites thought that the jury had reached the wrong verdict, while 9 out of 10 blacks believed it had decided correctly. Many African-Americans even believe that the crack cocaine epidemic was a deliberate conspiracy by the United States government to destroy black neighborhoods.

Much of the time, blacks have a pretty good sense of what whites think, but whites are oblivious to common black perspectives.

What’s happening, I think, is that the Obama campaign has led many white Americans to listen in for the first time to some of the black conversation — and they are thunderstruck
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Finally, if you want to see a genuine display of EMPATHY regarding Jeremiah Wright, surprisingly, nobody did it better than Mike Huckabee. Check out this video:

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Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:17 pm to
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Much of the time, blacks have a pretty good sense of what whites think, but whites are oblivious to common black perspectives.

What’s happening, I think, is that the Obama campaign has led many white Americans to listen in for the first time to some of the black conversation — and they are thunderstruck.


I don't know anyone that was thunderstruck by Wright. Every white person I knew ASSUMED this is what the "black" conversation would sound like when led by race-baiters.

We were thunderstruck when the media, willing to burn people at the stake for saying "nappy", started covering and even cheering for this guy.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:25 pm to
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just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

yes i have....fwiw, when this occurred, i left the church

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What’s happening, I think, is that the Obama campaign has led many white Americans to listen in for the first time to some of the black conversation — and they are thunderstruck.

perhaps. i think that applies to places well outside of the south, though...or at least to places without black people
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