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Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:54 am to JAXTiger16
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That's exactly how it still works and those ages are pretty spot on. I don't understand how it happened, there are so many point of failures to occur to make this possible.
It's amazing how many times each year it happens tho; the media has no idea the total number each year.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:07 am to Lsuchs
From my experience in dealing with safety incidents in the Air Force, there was likely a long chain of events that led to these accidents. I know the AF doesn't do things exactly the same way, but this principle tends to hold in my observations of all major system-level accidents.
Somewhere, somebody has been allowing themselves to take chances that they were continually allowed to get away with. After all, "Hey, nothing happened, right?" The next person trained thinks that the safety deviation is actually the process. Then, since they are now overseen by the original reckless person, they are willing to take further chances. This daisy chains, and if you are lucky, the accident will happen early enough that the chances aren't fatal.
An example: The Texas A&M bonfire tragedy. The investigators found that for years unqualified engineering students were being given final design approval authority while at the same time they were urged to constantly increase the height of the tower. Unfortunately, their accident caused the deaths of 11 people.
The perfect example for the Air Force is the 1994 Fairchild B-52 crash. In that case, you had the best B-52 pilot anyone ever knew taking chances and enforcing illegal procedures on younger pilots.
I suspect the same thing is happening in the 7th Fleet right now. And the commander of the 7th Fleet will have to figure out if his problem is in his training procedures or his ability to select commanding officers. We don't know enough about MCCAIN yet, but in the case of FITZGERALD, the skipper was new, so he had a lot of hold-over sailors from the previous commander. Now, he is solely responsible for command of his ship, but you can bet that whatever deficiency in training occurred, it was going on during his predecessor's time.
This is quickly becoming something the CNO needs to get his hands on.
Somewhere, somebody has been allowing themselves to take chances that they were continually allowed to get away with. After all, "Hey, nothing happened, right?" The next person trained thinks that the safety deviation is actually the process. Then, since they are now overseen by the original reckless person, they are willing to take further chances. This daisy chains, and if you are lucky, the accident will happen early enough that the chances aren't fatal.
An example: The Texas A&M bonfire tragedy. The investigators found that for years unqualified engineering students were being given final design approval authority while at the same time they were urged to constantly increase the height of the tower. Unfortunately, their accident caused the deaths of 11 people.
The perfect example for the Air Force is the 1994 Fairchild B-52 crash. In that case, you had the best B-52 pilot anyone ever knew taking chances and enforcing illegal procedures on younger pilots.
I suspect the same thing is happening in the 7th Fleet right now. And the commander of the 7th Fleet will have to figure out if his problem is in his training procedures or his ability to select commanding officers. We don't know enough about MCCAIN yet, but in the case of FITZGERALD, the skipper was new, so he had a lot of hold-over sailors from the previous commander. Now, he is solely responsible for command of his ship, but you can bet that whatever deficiency in training occurred, it was going on during his predecessor's time.
This is quickly becoming something the CNO needs to get his hands on.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:10 am to Lsuchs
quote:From what I have read most of the newer radar systems are digital and are connected to the network.
Only thing I find strange about hacking is that the navigation system is GPS, and even if hacked wouldn't affect the local radar which is what is used to avoid collisions and track contacts on the horizon
Radar goes straight to the console and is not part of a computer network
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:12 am to Lsuchs
As part of the bridge team, you would also have usually 3 Look-Outs (Port, Starboard, Stern).
Typically ... 18-21 y/o ... often part of Deck Division ... also fall under the BMOOW.
They would be manned up on sound-powered phones ... unless that has changed.
Typically ... 18-21 y/o ... often part of Deck Division ... also fall under the BMOOW.
They would be manned up on sound-powered phones ... unless that has changed.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:46 am to Devil_doge
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3rd time this year. All 3 ships involved have been from the 7th fleet stationed in Japan.
Either the Navy is hiring graduates of the Captain Hazelwood School of Navigation or the Chinese or Russians have figured out a way to jigger with ships' equipment.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:53 am to Lsuchs
These freighters can be pretty erratic when they are making course adjustments, I'm going to wait for the investigation on this one, my guess, based on the location of where they were struck, the freighter did not yield.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:04 pm to TigerCruise
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I'm going to wait for the investigation on this one, my guess, based on the location of where they were struck, the freighter did not yield.
According to the news this morning, the tanker had 10 failed inspections at port inspection within the last year.
This is crazy either way that it continually happens.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:04 pm to TigerCruise
quote:So you think that the safety of our ships and crew should depend on the freighter's captain / crew?
These freighters can be pretty erratic when they are making course adjustments, I'm going to wait for the investigation on this one, my guess, based on the location of where they were struck, the freighter did not yield.
I am leaning more towards something wrong with the radar technology. 2 collisions so close together is bizarre, especially within the same fleet.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 1:59 pm to Lsuchs
Millenials can't do shite right
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:01 pm to Devil_doge
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All 3 ships involved have been from the 7th fleet stationed in Japan.
Maybe North Korea is hacking the ships computers
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