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Methodists in crisis with disobedient pro-gay faction in the denomination
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:28 pm
This article is to highlight what is happening in the Methodist Church.
The disrespect, disobedience and mean-spiritedness shown by the LGBT activist in the UMC is just what the PCUSA and Episopalians have dealt with. This is not "loving thy neighbor" being shown by those activists.
They will sue churches in the very near future if the pastor and the congregation refuse to provide them their services for a marriage ceremony.
Here's a link to the article.
LINK
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"At this point, we have kind of come to the place where we know what the brute facts are," said Matt Berryman, executive director of Reconciling Ministries Network, which advocates for gay and lesbian Methodists. "Most folks, after 40 years of trying legislative solutions, realize they won't work. The way forward is to claim what we know to be true. And we're going to continue doing it in an aggressive way."
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On the final day of the assembly, at a gathering of Methodists who support gay marriage, Talbert announced, "The time for talking is over."
"I declare to you that the derogatory language and restrictive laws in the Book of Discipline are immoral and unjust and no longer deserve our loyalty and obedience," Talbert told the cheering crowd. "I call on the more than 1,100 clergy who have signed the pledge to stand firm on their resolve to perform marriages among same-sex persons, same-sex couples, and to do so in the normal course of their pastoral duties, thus defying the laws that prohibit them from doing so.
The disrespect, disobedience and mean-spiritedness shown by the LGBT activist in the UMC is just what the PCUSA and Episopalians have dealt with. This is not "loving thy neighbor" being shown by those activists.
They will sue churches in the very near future if the pastor and the congregation refuse to provide them their services for a marriage ceremony.
Here's a link to the article.
LINK
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:40 pm to los angeles tiger
I don't understand why they don't give up their credentials if they are so against the Book of Discipline.
Well I do. They don't want to lose the financial support of the church. It is kind of bs.
The Methodist Church gives its ministers about as much freedom as it comes anyways.
Well I do. They don't want to lose the financial support of the church. It is kind of bs.
The Methodist Church gives its ministers about as much freedom as it comes anyways.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:50 pm to los angeles tiger
Toddy has to wait until 2016 at least to get some dispensation on this. Our General Conference meets every 4 years. This won't change until then; if then.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:04 pm to Diamondawg
I was a member of a PCUSA congregation and resigned my membership because they had not left that denomination after the ordination standards were removed in 2011. They are now in the process of trying to leave.
These activists are evil people. Good, just, loving people do not act like that. They do not willfully disobey, especially those pastors and bishops that took vows to defend the Book of Discipline and to Christ and the Church.
I've paid a price for having spoken at the 2010 General Assembly. When you get threats from them and notes on your car telling you that "We are watching you" you start to see the full face of what they are actually doing.
These activists are evil people. Good, just, loving people do not act like that. They do not willfully disobey, especially those pastors and bishops that took vows to defend the Book of Discipline and to Christ and the Church.
I've paid a price for having spoken at the 2010 General Assembly. When you get threats from them and notes on your car telling you that "We are watching you" you start to see the full face of what they are actually doing.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:02 pm to los angeles tiger
I've have good experiences with the Methodist Church. There's a large Methodist church in Midtown Atlanta (St. Mark's ) that's very welcoming.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:22 pm to los angeles tiger
Never understood this.
The bible is VERY CLEAR that gays are sexually immoral and VERY CLEAR on what happens to the sexually immoral to are unrepentant. How do gay activists and gay people justify themselves within the confines of Christianity?
The bible is VERY CLEAR that gays are sexually immoral and VERY CLEAR on what happens to the sexually immoral to are unrepentant. How do gay activists and gay people justify themselves within the confines of Christianity?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:23 pm to Toddy
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I've have good experiences with the Methodist Church. There's a large Methodist church in Midtown Atlanta (St. Mark's ) that's very welcoming.
I've always had good experiences with Methodist churches as well.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
We've had two Methodist churches locally with lesbian pastors. They've done ceremonies for gay people.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:26 pm to los angeles tiger
These are definitely not godly people. Ministering to gay people doesn't mean compromising the tenants of the faith.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We've had two Methodist churches locally with lesbian pastors. They've done ceremonies for gay people.
I just don't get it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that many churches have started accepting gay people. No issue with that. I just don't understand how, if you claim to be a Christian, you can defend remaining so while simultaneously supporting gay activism and/or being gay yourself.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I just don't get it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that many churches have started accepting gay people. No issue with that. I just don't understand how, if you claim to be a Christian, you can defend remaining so while simultaneously supporting gay activism and/or being gay yourself.
I know many christians who don't think being gay or gay sex is a sin.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:31 pm to Negative Nomad
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I have a solution. Start your own gay church.
People have done just that. Plenty of gay churches west of the rocky mountains.
I don't understand it, but they definitely exist.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I know many christians who don't think being gay or gay sex is a sin.
I understand that. The point is that the bible is not ambiguous about the issue. It's far clearer on homosexuality than say, abortion.
I get that people ignore stuff in the bible all the time, but to be so bold about defying what your holy book teaches seems...odd.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The bible is VERY CLEAR that gays are sexually immoral and VERY CLEAR
I don't think it's as clear as you think it is.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We've had two Methodist churches locally with lesbian pastors. They've done ceremonies for gay people.
They most likely weren't out as lesbians when they took their ordination vows and now that they are and doing such, they have broken the very vows of the denomination that they are to uphold. That's a sin in itself because it is disobedience. Now they can repent of that sin or they can leave. Continued disobedience is intentionally sinning showing hatred toward the denomination and it's members, disobedience to Jesus Christ, and disobedience to church law that they are to uphold.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:39 pm to Toddy
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I don't think it's as clear as you think it is.
Toddy, if you think that then you probably think orgies are scripturally sound as well. Do not start down the path of theological biblical discussions that you have misled on.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:41 pm to los angeles tiger
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They most likely weren't out as lesbians when they took their ordination vows and now that they are and doing such, they have broken the very vows of the denomination that they are to uphold.
Probably.
I think we had a gay Episcopal priest too.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:42 pm to Toddy
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I don't think it's as clear as you think it is
I can't fathom how it could be any clearer. It's blatantly stated in both the OT and NT.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Leviticus 18:22
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"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Leviticus 20:13
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"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable."
Romans 1:26-28
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"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. "
1 Timothy 1:10
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"The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine"
Additionally, the bible strongly suggest that one of the big reasons God destroyed Sodom was due to homosexuality.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:43 pm to Toddy
Toddy, churches welcome people to church because that is what we are called to do. We are called to share the gospel so that others will come to Know Jesus Christ and will accept Him as their Lord and Savior. Defiant disobedience is not scriptural at all. Jesus stated "If you love me, keep my commandments. Even the slave to his master." These disobedient people are not enslaved to the denomination and they should leave. They have the freedom to do so. I've gone through the experience of seeing what these folks do to denominations (I was in the Presbyterian Church U.S.A.) and once they gain power, they will take property, sue those as they are leaving and harrass and intimidate those leaving. They are evil people.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 10:45 pm
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