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re: Mental illness is a huge Issue in this country...
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:54 am to DeltaDoc
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:54 am to DeltaDoc
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Mental illness is a huge Issue in this country...
Destigmatizing is a bigger issue. When the Dems got their wish in the 70s & 80s and the result was letting the nutjobs back on the street, it made us all unsafe.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:56 am to DeltaDoc
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Mental illness is a huge Issue in this country...
State of Illinois doesn't think so. They gave him a driver's license.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:00 pm to DeltaDoc
problem is we used to just lock them up in insane asylums, but now we simply load them up on mind-altering SSRIs while allowing them to continue roaming the streets.
any guesses as to how many mass shooters were taking SSRIs during their murdering sprees?
any guesses as to how many mass shooters were taking SSRIs during their murdering sprees?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:02 pm to DeltaDoc
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It's still mental illness. Normal people don't behave in this manner
You don't know if this guy was mentally ill yet. Mass shootings are not diagnostic of mental illness.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:03 pm to DeltaDoc
we have, for all practical purposes, dismantled the public inpatient modality and opted for psychopharmacology and oftentimes no corresponding talking therapy. We have sought to define mental illness as with other maladies, high blood pressure, diabetes and the likes...well, yes and no.
We are doing a pretty good job at treating the major mental illnesses but are lost in the woods with personality disorders which are continuing to rise in numbers...my theory, as society breaks down we sow the seeds of dysfunction but progressives don't wish to hear this, doesn't fit their narrative.
Cannot rely upon a criminal justice system to adequately treat the mentally ill, is not their job, they are to incarcerate. We need to address the complicatedness (new word) of mental illness as failure to do so will only lead to more crippled lives.
We are doing a pretty good job at treating the major mental illnesses but are lost in the woods with personality disorders which are continuing to rise in numbers...my theory, as society breaks down we sow the seeds of dysfunction but progressives don't wish to hear this, doesn't fit their narrative.
Cannot rely upon a criminal justice system to adequately treat the mentally ill, is not their job, they are to incarcerate. We need to address the complicatedness (new word) of mental illness as failure to do so will only lead to more crippled lives.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:05 pm to ladyluckUGA
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any guesses as to how many mass shooters were taking SSRIs during their murdering sprees?
Any guesses how many people who had heart attacks were on blood pressure medications?Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:06 pm to Comp721
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I'd say 70% of posters on this board have some kind of mental illness
There aren't that many of y'all.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:08 pm to FooManChoo
quote:well frick it, lets just embrace full-on wild west style anarchy then.
While there is still freedom in this country, people will be free to do harm to themselves and to others.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:13 pm to Wtodd
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Destigmatizing is a bigger issue
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When the Dems got their wish in the 70s & 80s and the result was letting the nutjobs back on the street, it made us all unsafe.
Meh, we did so much fricked up shite in the name of mental health for decades I don't blame anyone for wanting to distance themselves from asylums, lobotomies, experiments, etc. I think the pendulum just swung too far and we need get back to some middle ground.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:21 pm to DeltaDoc
All joking aside, it's a hard problem. For one, there are not very good diagnostics as to when a mentally ill person will commit violence. Psychiatrists are not good at predicting violent behavior. Their best predictor is past behavior. However, not all mass killers have violent pasts.
Take schizophrenia. It's usually considered the most severe mental illness and is defined by psychosis. There's a few schizophrenics in my town that walk the streets talking to themselves. One guy has been walking the streets here for over 20 years. People have tried to take him in, feed him, give him shelter, but he refuses it and prefers to be homeless. He is crazy as a loon, but a really gentle fellow. He hears voices and is completely psychotic but has never hurt anyone.
On the other hand, there are those few schizophrenics who will go on murder sprees after hearing voices from God. David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) said his neighbor's dog told him to kill. John Hinckley was delusional and thought killing Reagan would force Jodie Foster to love him.
So what causes some psychotic people to walk the streets minding their own business while others go on murder sprees? Psychiatry has no answer. It's the same mental illness but with different outcomes.
Take schizophrenia. It's usually considered the most severe mental illness and is defined by psychosis. There's a few schizophrenics in my town that walk the streets talking to themselves. One guy has been walking the streets here for over 20 years. People have tried to take him in, feed him, give him shelter, but he refuses it and prefers to be homeless. He is crazy as a loon, but a really gentle fellow. He hears voices and is completely psychotic but has never hurt anyone.
On the other hand, there are those few schizophrenics who will go on murder sprees after hearing voices from God. David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) said his neighbor's dog told him to kill. John Hinckley was delusional and thought killing Reagan would force Jodie Foster to love him.
So what causes some psychotic people to walk the streets minding their own business while others go on murder sprees? Psychiatry has no answer. It's the same mental illness but with different outcomes.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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How should it be addressed?
Mental health services in this country is lacking. And it's often lumped in with social services cuts. We could do a far better job of helping people get affordable assistance in times of mental distress. There's obviously a fine line when it comes to personal liberties and how far we go with interventions, but we're working the bare minimum right now.
And more importantly that actions in mental distress =/= being relieved of responsibility of their actions.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
Those are problems, not solutions. What's the solution? It seems that the only idea so far is to throw more subsidized federal dollars at it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Mental health services in this country is lacking.
The biggest problem is the stigma. Even medical professionals are not very "professional" in these situations (unless they are trained specifically in psychiatry). I've heard some horror stories about people seeking help from non-psychiatrist physicians and being treated like garbage.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
In the 70s and 80s, we really cut back on mental facilities because there was a record number of neglect in those facilities. It's resulted in a lack of facilities to address mental health issues. I live in a medium-sized metro area (Louisville) and have had to deal with waiting lists to help get kids into a facility when they make threats of self-harm or harm to others. And then they get in there and treatment is often shortened because of insurance costs/out of pocket costs. We're literally turning these people out before they complete treatment. It's a big issue.
You're literally taught in clinical psychology classes that you may have to amend your treatment plans for those seeking assistance because of the lack of funding in the field.
Yes, funding is a solution. But it's also maximizing the use of that funding. And it's a drop in the bucket to the issues we have when it comes to mental illness/health.
You're literally taught in clinical psychology classes that you may have to amend your treatment plans for those seeking assistance because of the lack of funding in the field.
Yes, funding is a solution. But it's also maximizing the use of that funding. And it's a drop in the bucket to the issues we have when it comes to mental illness/health.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:36 pm to DeltaDoc
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Mental illness is a huge Issue in this country.
Thats putting it mildly. This country elected a slimy anti America Communist..twice. What does that tell you about the mental acuity of a large number of people?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:37 pm to member12
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member12
So just to clarify, Dylan Roof is just a crazy white guy who was mentally ill but this guy is a Democrat/liberal problem?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:37 pm to BluegrassBelle
All fair points. I'll never be a fan of using more of my money to support other people, though.
You don't think the ridiculous level of coddling we see today is an issue?
You don't think the ridiculous level of coddling we see today is an issue?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:37 pm to BluegrassBelle
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In the 70s and 80s, we really cut back on mental facilities because there was a record number of SJWs whining about the rights of sociopaths.
FIFY
Posted on 6/14/17 at 1:14 pm to DoubleDown
Dylan Roof was not mentally ill that I've heard. What was his diagnosis?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 1:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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All fair points. I'll never be a fan of using more of my money to support other people, though.
You don't think the ridiculous level of coddling we see today is an issue?
Not when we're talking some of the more severe psychosis we see when you consider the causes of some of those psychosis (i.e. hereditary correlations, chemical imbalances, etc.).
I do think we have an issue when it comes to teaching kids how to cope with difficulties in life. That said, throwing them in juvenile detention or in a facility without proper mental health care when it's something that needs to be addressed mentally while they're still at point of development that maybe we can right the ship doesn't help the situation. But we also can't let the consequences of their behavior go just because they're young. It's a fine line to walk and I admittedly don't have all of the answers. I just know we're not doing a very good job of addressing the root issues with mental health.
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