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Media is already dying (newspapers are dead)..is higher ed next?
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:02 am
Seems the more they raise tuition and the more they hire adjunct faculty to save money and collude with book publishers to gouge students..the less relevant they become.
Already we've seen the fallout from pro-SJW schools like Missouri and considering the sum of human knowledge is on The Google now, what's the point of these quasi-government instituions of propaganda?
Good riddance I say. Don't let the ivory tower gilded gates hit you in the arse as they're shuttering the colleges.
Already we've seen the fallout from pro-SJW schools like Missouri and considering the sum of human knowledge is on The Google now, what's the point of these quasi-government instituions of propaganda?
Good riddance I say. Don't let the ivory tower gilded gates hit you in the arse as they're shuttering the colleges.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:03 am to CAD703X
I would love to see the rise of more vocational and technical school enrollment. There are a bunch of jobs out there that need to be filled.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:04 am to CAD703X
A lot of the horse shite degrees are going to die out quickly. More people are starting to go to online colleges which are much easier to run than a brick and mortar school.
Last, high schools are offering career diplomas that train student in trades, so they leave high school with basic level certifications in certain trade fields. Higher ed has been fricking themselves for years, and its time to prune some schools.
Last, high schools are offering career diplomas that train student in trades, so they leave high school with basic level certifications in certain trade fields. Higher ed has been fricking themselves for years, and its time to prune some schools.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:04 am to CAD703X
IMO one way to control tuition costs without drastically altering the structure of universities:
Eliminate federally subsidized loans. Guaranteed credit with no collateral for ANYONE who applies if fricking lunacy, and colleges know they can squeeze out every last bit of the money to pay for their overbloated administrative and bureaucratic staffs.
Make colleges co-sign and take on obligations re: the student. That would eliminate a lot of the bullshite sectors reeeaaaal quick.
Eliminate federally subsidized loans. Guaranteed credit with no collateral for ANYONE who applies if fricking lunacy, and colleges know they can squeeze out every last bit of the money to pay for their overbloated administrative and bureaucratic staffs.
Make colleges co-sign and take on obligations re: the student. That would eliminate a lot of the bullshite sectors reeeaaaal quick.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:05 am to CAD703X
Yes, universities rarely teach legitimate skills needed in the workplace.
Bachelor level degrees nowdays produce High School diploma level graduates.
Bachelor level degrees nowdays produce High School diploma level graduates.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:05 am to CAD703X
Don't know about that but it is the looming financial dot.com bubble waiting to burst..it is a cottage industry
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:06 am to FooManChoo
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I would love to see the rise of more vocational and technical school enrollment. There are a bunch of jobs out there that need to be filled.
Right, real jobs and real work. Close down these colleges that only seem to be making people dumber not smarter.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:06 am to wfallstiger
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Don't know about that but it is the looming financial dot.com bubble waiting to burst..it is a cottage industry
I understand that the student loan market is now well over a trillion dollars, but how exactly do those 'burst' in a similar manner to our other bubbles? Someone with financial knowledge please explain.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:08 am to CAD703X
lower level colleges should be turned into technical colleges, which is what they already are in some degree
but the larger, more elites schools are not going away anytime soon, or I certainly hope not
but the larger, more elites schools are not going away anytime soon, or I certainly hope not
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:09 am to CAD703X
It has to. How can you justify $100K of debt to become a teacher? Honestly, I didn't learn much at UGA that was the least bit relevant to my work. Best profs I had were older guys who worked for 25+ years then got into teaching. The tenure system virtually eliminates this from happening so you're stuck with no-experience theory-wonks who haven't, and couldn't, work in the real world.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:12 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Yes, universities rarely teach legitimate skills needed in the workplace
A university is not a trade school. Its mission is to educate, not to supplement the workforce.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
Judging from the quality of logic contained in the OP, apparently higher education has been dead to you for a long time. Especially hilarious considering the forum you're on.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
I do think there will be a culling in higher ed especially with smaller universities that charge exorbitant amounts of money.
For example, it's $21k/year for an out-of-state student to attend the University of Montevallo, a small liberal arts school in small town Alabama. Almost $11k for in-state. That's just tuition.
These type of schools also rarely produce the kind of scholarship you would expect to see from prestigious universities. So you essentially have highly qualified teachers making $60k+ (I know someone personally there, and he makes $100k teaching a 3/3 load and hasn't been published in a decade). The school then supplements its instruction with adjuncts who are grossly underpaid for the work they do.
I have firsthand experience at a large state school and was headed toward a PhD at one of the nation's most prestigious universities. I do not believe the larger, more established schools are as "SJW" as the smaller ones. It's there; but it can taken as a being part of a liberal education: one that expands the mind, teaches critical thinking, and helps young people ask difficult questions. These schools often have a good ROI and is documented all over the net.
For example, it's $21k/year for an out-of-state student to attend the University of Montevallo, a small liberal arts school in small town Alabama. Almost $11k for in-state. That's just tuition.
These type of schools also rarely produce the kind of scholarship you would expect to see from prestigious universities. So you essentially have highly qualified teachers making $60k+ (I know someone personally there, and he makes $100k teaching a 3/3 load and hasn't been published in a decade). The school then supplements its instruction with adjuncts who are grossly underpaid for the work they do.
I have firsthand experience at a large state school and was headed toward a PhD at one of the nation's most prestigious universities. I do not believe the larger, more established schools are as "SJW" as the smaller ones. It's there; but it can taken as a being part of a liberal education: one that expands the mind, teaches critical thinking, and helps young people ask difficult questions. These schools often have a good ROI and is documented all over the net.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:17 am to CAD703X
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is higher ed next?
I hope so.
And I'm a college professor.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:18 am to AUbused
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Judging from the quality of logic contained in the OP, apparently higher education has been dead to you for a long time. Especially hilarious considering the forum you're on.
judging from everyone's response but yours, i'm not alone in my thinking.
just like 'minute clinics' in grocery stores and walgreens have virtually eliminated your typical crappy doctor office experience for the sniffles, online and FREE universities that deep dive into the current and latest technology and workplace development will replace your shitty 4 year higher ed quasi-government institutions of propaganda.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:20 am to CAD703X
When it does die, all of those overeducated elitists will end up on welfare because they lack the skills and will to hold a legitimate job.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:21 am to CAD703X
Some people have blind loyalty to schools just because they attended one and think higher ed can do no wrong I guess. The indoctrination worked.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:22 am to NDonahue
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Some people have blind loyalty to schools just because they attended one and think higher ed can do no wrong I guess. The indoctrination worked.
see your fellow AU fan above
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:23 am to CAD703X
This is why people are terrified of the people who voted for Trump.
I'm not saying it's justified in general, but OP wants to do away with higher education.
I'm not saying it's justified in general, but OP wants to do away with higher education.
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