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Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:31 am to
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:31 am to
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You left out the part about him wanting to send all of the slaves back to Africa ?

I thought he wanted to give them Alabama? Seriously.


The neo-reb/nazis dote on a lot of misinformation and this is just another area.

Although Lincoln thought the blacks might be better off outside the USA, he never suggested that anyone be forced out of the country.

History’s Judgment

“Our truly great presidents were tortured deep in their hearts by the race question,” the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. observed in New York at the centennial of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1962. “Lincoln’s torments are well known, his vacillations were facts.” But at least when it became clear that the only way to redeem the suffering of the country was to write freedom for all people, black and white, into law and, ultimately, the Constitution, Lincoln had come out on the right side of history. As King put it, “His hesitation had not stayed his hand when historic necessity charted but one course.”

On this 152nd anniversary of Lincoln’s famous proclamation, his evolution on race and slavery is what we should remember. That as the Civil War raged on in those first critical years, he obfuscated and obsessed until, more than midway through the war, he realized that colonizing black people out of the land of their birth—a country they fought and died for during the Revolution and every war since—was not realistic financially or logistically; nor it was an option that the African-American community would ever embrace. The only option black people would embrace was the immediate abolition of slavery. Period.

Yes, the Civil War changed many things in our country, not least the heart of the man at the center of the storm."

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Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:49 am to
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Started a war which led to 620,000 people losing their lives, repeatedly broke Constitutional law, never freed a single slave. God Bless Ignorance.


1. In his first inaugural address Lincoln supported a constitutional amendment protecting slavery. He didn't start the war. The slave power wanted war so it could avoid repaying its debt to northern bankers.

2. The only thing that Lincoln did that was clearly outside his presidential powers was to disburse money from the Treasury between March and July 1861. Congress approved all his actions post facto.

I had an e-mail exchange a few years ago with the author of "Lincoln's Constitution", Daniel Farber. He was very gracious and answered a number of my questions.



I know Lincoln's strong and confident leadership busted up all your vicarious dreams of wrecking the country, but there it is.

3. Lincoln worked hard to get the 13th Amendment passed.

"The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. In Congress, it was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31, 1865. The amendment was ratified by the required number of states on December 6, 1865. On December 18, 1865, Secretary of State William H. Seward proclaimed its adoption. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted following the American Civil War." -wiki

Thirtteenth Amendment




This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:51 am
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50247 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:57 am to
Good! I hope they start to destroy every monument.

Next go to the museums.

Hey Progs, since I support this, does this not make me a Nazi now?

Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:05 am to
All these neo-reb/nazis are so farking stupid.

They are like Charles Hamilton when Rhett Butler tells him - "I am sorry if the truth offends you."

"Apologies aren't enough!"

I am sorry if the truth offends you.

Charles Hamilton - Her Brother: I refuse to listen to any renegade talk!

Rhett Butler: Well, I'm sorry if the truth offends you.

Charles Hamilton - Her Brother: Apologies aren't enough sir. I hear you were turned out of West Point, Mr. Rhett Butler. And that you aren't received in a decent family in Charleston. Not even your own.

Rhett Butler: I apologize again for all my shortcomings. Mr. Wilkes, Perhaps you won't mind if I walk about and look over your place. I seem to be spoiling everybody's brandy and cigars and... dreams of victory."

The neo-reb/nazis aren't real bright.

Rhett Butler: No, I'm not hinting. I'm saying very plainly that the Yankees are better equipped than we. They've got factories, shipyards, coalmines... and a fleet to bottle up our harbors and starve us to death. All we've got is cotton, and slaves and... arrogance."

That is what CSA stands for, right? Cotton, slaves and arrogance?
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:15 am to

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 26, 1863.

Hon. James C. Conkling

My Dear Sir.

"...But to be plain, you are dissatisfied with me about the negro. Quite likely there is a difference of opinion between you and myself upon that subject. I certainly wish that all men could be free, while I suppose you do not. Yet I have neither adopted, nor proposed any measure, which is not consistent with even your view, provided you are for the Union. I suggested compensated emancipation; to which you replied you wished not to be taxed to buy negroes. But I had not asked you to be taxed to buy negroes, except in such way, as to save you from greater taxation to save the Union exclusively by other means.

You dislike the emancipation proclamation; and, perhaps, would have it retracted. You say it is unconstitutional--I think differently. I think the constitution invests its Commander-in-chief, with the law of war, in time of war. The most that can be said, if so much, is, that slaves are property. Is there--has there ever been--any question that by the law of war, property, both of enemies and friends, may be taken when needed? And is it not needed whenever taking it, helps us, or hurts the enemy? Armies, the world over, destroy enemies' property when they can not use it; and even destroy their own to keep it from the enemy. Civilized belligerents do all in their power to help themselves, or hurt the enemy, except a few things regarded as barbarous or cruel. Among the exceptions are the massacre of vanquished foes, and non-combatants, male and female.

But the proclamation, as law, either is valid, or is not valid. If it is not valid, it needs no retraction. If it is valid, it can not be retracted, any more than the dead can be brought to life. Some of you profess to think its retraction would operate favorably for the Union. Why better after the retraction, than before the issue? There was more than a year and a half of trial to suppress the rebellion before the proclamation issued, the last one hundred days of which passed under an explicit notice that it was coming, unless averted by those in revolt, returning to their allegiance. The war has certainly progressed as favorably for us, since the issue of proclamation as before. I know, as fully as one can know the opinions of others, that some of the commanders of our armies in the field who have given us our most important successes believe the emancipation policy and the use of the colored troops constitute the heaviest blow yet dealt to the Rebellion, and that at least one of these important successes could not have been achieved when it was but for the aid of black soldiers. Among the commanders holding these views are some who have never had any affinity with what is called abolitionism or with the Republican party policies but who held them purely as military opinions. I submit these opinions as being entitled to some weight against the objections often urged that emancipation and arming the blacks are unwise as military measures and were not adopted as such in good faith.

You say you will not fight to free negroes. Some of them seem willing to fight for you; but, no matter. Fight you, then exclusively to save the Union. I issued the proclamation on purpose to aid you in saving the Union. Whenever you shall have conquered all resistence to the Union, if I shall urge you to continue fighting, it will be an apt time, then, for you to declare you will not fight to free negroes.

I thought that in your struggle for the Union, to whatever extent the negroes should cease helping the enemy, to that extent it weakened the enemy in his resistence to you. Do you think differently? I thought that whatever negroes can be got to do as soldiers, leaves just so much less for white soldiers to do, in saving the Union. Does it appear otherwise to you? But negroes, like other people, act upon motives. Why should they do any thing for us, if we will do nothing for them? If they stake their lives for us, they must be prompted by the strongest motive--even the promise of freedom. And the promise being made, must be kept."
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:39 am to
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Here is a real Lincoln quote for you. "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." 3/4/65



I'm not making an argument that Lincoln did not have good things to say, but he was a racist and for you to deny it is just being dishonest.


Lincoln Invite Black Ministers to the White House in 1862 and said this to them...

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”
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