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Lies told by Trump during last night's State of the Union Address
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:18 pm
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Trump: We've defended the borders of other nations, while leaving our own borders wide open.."
Fact: Over the last 10 years, we've seen a 90% drop in illegal border crossings as a result of increased enforcement.
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Trump: "Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions of dollars in the United States and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs."
Fact: Trump claims that his policies have led these companies to create 70,000 jobs. But 69,000 of those jobs were in the works before election and 700 were the result of Obama's policies.
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Trump: "We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines -- thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs." The Dakota Access pipeline is nearly built. Keystone would create 3,900 direct construction jobs and 16,000 total jobs on an annual basis.
Fact: And those are just temporary jobs; the permanent job count at Keystone will be 35.
The only jobs that he could legitimately claim to have preserved would be the 800 Carrier jobs in Indiana that were “saved” with the help of $7 million in state subsidies.
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Trump: We want all Americans to succeed --- but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. We must restore integrity and the rule of law to our borders."
Fact: Guess what happened when Arizona decided to aggressively ‘enforce the immigration laws’? Fewer jobs all around; lower state GDP.
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Trump: "According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted for terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country."
Fact: Right-wing extremists are a bigger threat to America than foreign-born terrorists.
Right-wing militants since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead.
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Trump: "Protecting our workers also means reforming our system of legal immigration. The current, outdated system depresses wages for our poorest workers, and puts great pressure on taxpayers."
Fact: Immigrants don't lower our wages or take our jobs.
According to an April 2015 symposium on the effects of illegal immigrants in the Southern Economic Journal, illegal immigrants actually raise wages for documented/native workers. Meanwhile, rules preventing illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses raise our car insurance premiums and E-Verify requirements raise the cost of doing business and reduce employment.
Using data from Georgia, Julie Hotchkiss, Myriam Quispe-Agnoli, and Fernando Rios-Avila find that documented workers’ wages rise with increases in the share of undocumented workers in a worker’s county and employed by their employers. The biggest boosts are for workers in low- and medium-skill firms that hire a lot of undocumented immigrants with an even larger boost for workers in low-skill firms with a lot of undocumented workers in the county and industry.
Why? The law of comparative advantage says we get more productive when we have more trading partners, and the arrival of undocumented workers with limited English skills frees up low-skill American workers who can then specialize in tasks that require better English
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Trump: "According to the National Academy of Sciences, our current immigration system costs America's taxpayers many billions of dollars a year."
Fact: “We found little to no negative effects on overall wages and employment of native-born workers in the longer term,” said Francine D. Blau, an economics professor at Cornell University who led the group that produced the 550-page report.
• Teenagers who did not finish high school also saw their hours of work reduced by immigrants, although not their ability to find jobs. Professor Blau said economists had found many reasons that young people who drop out of high school struggle to find work. “There is no indication immigration is the major factor,” she said.
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Trump: "Obamacare is collapsing..."
Fact: The insurance market is actually improving, but repealing #ACA would kill it.
Enrollment in the individual market (which includes plans inside and outside the ACA marketplaces) has grown each year since the ACA’s major coverage expansions and reforms took full effect in 2014, from about 11 million people in 2013 to about 18 million as of early 2016. For the 2017 plan year, where open enrollment continues through January, marketplace enrollment is tracking higher than last year. While that’s not a complete picture of the whole market, it’s an encouraging sign.
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Trump: "So I am calling on all Democrats and Republicans in the Congress to work with us to save Americans from this imploding Obamacare disaster."
Fact: Obamacare costs less than expected
Spending declines will happen across both private health insurance as well as Medicare and Medicaid. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services actuaries predicted that total Medicare spending between 2014 and 2019 would be $455 billion lower than the ACA baseline forecast. Projected Medicaid spending over the same time period is expected to be $1.05 billion lower than previous ACA estimates, while private insurance spending projections declined by $664 billion.
The slower health care spending also means that the ACA is expected to cost the U.S. government much less than previously estimated. The Congressional Budget Office estimated in 2010, after the passage of the ACA, that the gross cost of all ACA coverage provisions from 2014 to 2019 would cost $938 billion. That forecast has now dropped to $686 billion in the 2015 forecast, a reduction of 26.9%.
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Trump: "The murder rate in 2015 experienced its largest single-year increase in nearly half a century."
Fact: The nation's crime rate ticked up slightly in 2015 compared to the year before, but it still remains at historic lows.
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:20 pm to Bench McElroy
inb4
fake news
Snowflake
Melt
Edit Dammit
fake news
Snowflake
Melt
Edit Dammit
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:20 pm to Bench McElroy
If his solution to Obamacare is to fix it, he can call it whatever he wants.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:21 pm to Bench McElroy
That wasn't even an attempt at fact checking, wow. It appears media doesn't even know what a fact is anymore.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:21 pm to Bench McElroy
So, what did you think of the speech?
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:23 pm to Bench McElroy
Let me summarize: "what Trump said is true, but here's this thing he didn't say, and it's untrue, so Trump's a liar"
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:23 pm to Bench McElroy
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Fact: Over the last 10 years, we've seen a 90% drop in illegal border crossings as a result of increased enforcement.
That's not a honest fact.
I live among many Border Patrol Agents and they will tell you to a man that they had to let people through if they mentioned certain catch phrases. They weren't reported illegal crossings. The way the numbers were crunched is a lie in and of itself. So, Trump is not wrong if the true numbers were used.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:23 pm to notsince98
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That wasn't even an attempt at fact checking, wow. It appears media doesn't even know what a fact is anymore.
So glad you backed that up with facts.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:23 pm to Bench McElroy
Day 51.... the butt hurt is real.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:24 pm to notsince98
neither do you trump clowns
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:24 pm to LSU Patrick
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So, what did you think of the speech?
It was probably the best speech of Trump's political career.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:25 pm to Bench McElroy
Well to their credit this is the hardest they've worked against an administration in a little while.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:25 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I have a fraternity brother that's a border patrol agent.
He has good stories that match up with what you just posted.
He has good stories that match up with what you just posted.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:26 pm to Bench McElroy
This thread could just as easily be titled.
"OK, now I know what I'm supposed to say"
"OK, now I know what I'm supposed to say"
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:26 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bench McElroy
I'm not going to go through all of your completely fabricated "fact checks" but i do want to point out one glaring one which should tell everyone how your "fact checking" is going down.
quote:
rump: "The murder rate in 2015 experienced its largest single-year increase in nearly half a century."
Fact: The nation's crime rate ticked up slightly in 2015 compared to the year before, but it still remains at historic lows.
I guess it's easy to "fact check" when you quote something Trump said, and then fact check it against something that has absolutely nothing to do with the quote.
The rest of your "fact checking" follows the same completely fabricated and nonsensical rationale.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:27 pm to Bench McElroy
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Guess what happened when Arizona decided to aggressively ‘enforce the immigration laws’?
They got sued by the Feds and were forced to back down
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 1:28 pm
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