re: Let's Discuss Heroin

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Should be legal for adults.

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I cannot tell you how many dead heroin users I have seen over the years. I can also tell you that it is one chitty way to die. A person must be insane to use such a drug in my opinion. If you want to legalize pot I would be behind it but not heroin.

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Should be legal for adults.


I cannot tell you how many dead heroin users I have seen over the years. I can also tell you that it is one chitty way to die. A person must be insane to use such a drug in my opinion. If you want to legalize pot I would be behind it but not heroin.

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I guess if there was a way to logistically legalize/decriminalize heroin use, I wouldn't be against it.

I just don't think many people think through the logistical issues of something like this.

The idea that there would be many (or even a handful of) legitimate companies knocking down the door to manufacture and sell HEROIN is just sheer fantasy. There's simply no legitimate enterprise out there that would be jumping at the opportunity to expose themselves to such massive potential liability, as to be willing to do so. Who the hell do folks think would be willing to do it?

Anyone who thinks any legitimate drug company is clamoring to get in the business of manufacturing and selling purely recreational drugs of any type, especially heroin, is nuts.

So, where's your "legal" heroin going to come from?

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I guess if there was a way to logistically legalize/decriminalize heroin use, I wouldn't be against it.

I just don't think many people think through the logistical issues of something like this.

The idea that there would be many (or even a handful of) legitimate companies knocking down the door to manufacture and sell HEROIN is just sheer fantasy. There's simply no legitimate enterprise out there that would be jumping at the opportunity to expose themselves to such massive potential liability, as to be willing to do so. Who the hell do folks think would be willing to do it?

Anyone who thinks any legitimate drug company is clamoring to get in the business of manufacturing and selling purely recreational drugs of any type, especially heroin, is nuts.

So, where's your "legal" heroin going to come from?

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Alcohol and cigarettes seem to be sold without much of an issue....

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Alcohol and cigarettes seem to be sold without much of an issue....

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And cigarette companies paid out billions in settlements. there is not that much of a demand for heroin so the only way any manufacturer could be prepared to pay out huge settlements would be to jack the price up through the roof and that would result in street level dealers continuing to deal illegally.

My younger brother is addicted to heroin and it isn't because he couldn't get oxy, the drug cartels or Afghanistan. My parents got divorced and let him run wild and never made him work. This led him to not go to school and get in with the "wrong crowd." He started smoking weed, then ecstasy, then moved on to crack and heroin. You want to stop people from doing harmful drugs, it has to start at home.

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Did the fact that it was illegal prevent their deaths?

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Obviously not but I don't want any culpability for future deaths. I believe there will be more users if it is readily available at "stores". I am well aware that this line of thinking is in contrast to my Libertarian beliefs but, as I said earlier, some things are better in the abstract than they are in practice.

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I'm not so sure. I mean, who uses "bf" for "Best Friend", especially after putting the prefix "ex" in front of it?

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My initial thought was the same as yours but upon reflection I figured he was just trolling for a reaction as usual.

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- The net increase in deaths would justify continued prohibition. Even if there were a net increase in deaths, it would have to be a 20x increase to compare with the numbers currently tolerated in our society for excessive alcohol use. Even if you lump in all the opioids together, you still need to have a 5x increase before they're on par, and that's before controlling for alcohol comorbidity within that set

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Do you believe that the % of heroin users whose lives are seriously negatively affected by their use of heroin is similar to the % of alcohol users whose lives are seriously negatively affected by their use of alcohol?

Do you believe that we would collectively notice a difference in the general quality of life if you replaced every instance of someone becoming drunk in America with an instance of someone becoming high on heroin?

Do you think a preteen breaking into a liquor cabinet and getting drunk is comparable to a preteen breaking into a cabinet filled with heroin and getting high?

Nearly everyone gets drunk at some point in their lives. That's why we have so many deaths from alcohol. If practically everyone shot up heroin at some point in their lives, I'm thinking things would be worse than they have been, oh, for I don't know, ALL OF CIVILIZED HISTORY, when nearly everyone drank alcohol.

This idea that "people should be able to do whatever they want to themselves" sounds great, and when I was a childless twenty-something, I bought into it too. I still agree with it up to a point. But I really wish people would think a little harder about things and maybe with a bit of humility regarding their own wisdom before they go trying to change the world for everyone else.

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This idea that "people should be able to do whatever they want to themselves" sounds great, and when I was a childless twenty-something, I bought into it too. I still agree with it up to a point. But I really wish people would think a little harder about things and maybe with a bit of humility regarding their own wisdom before they go trying to change the world for everyone else.

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Good discussion all around on this subject, gentlemen. No ad hoc or brash statements. Not too many illustrations of personal woe. I hope that some of you learned a thing or two,as was the purpose of the post.

I just wanted to share a bit of my research experience, as heroin is often too taboo to honestly discuss. Too much stigma and fright.

And, I'm not sure what the answer to the (upcoming) epidemic is. I can simply state with 100% conviction that our current answer to drugs (heroin) within our nation is fundamentally flawed, and that our rational is illogical. In order to have an honest discussion, some of the propaganda must first be removed, and I sincerely hope that in 2016, Rand will help lead an honest discussion to the drug war, as his father tried in vain.

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