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re: Let's Discuss Heroin
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:05 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:05 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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You can't criminalize vices pertaining to substances humans want to put in their bodies. Whether alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana or any of the other hard drugs. A certain percentage of the population always has and always will abuse intoxicants.
Exactly. It's a losing battle. In fact, drug enforcement efforts have made using far more dangerous. Some people will always use something to get high. Forcing them to more dangerous alternatives isn't doing anyone a favor.
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:07 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Okay.
But how do you have a conversation with your average American that wants to lock up all the druggies and throw away the key?
How do you get the American voter to shift their righteous way of thinking to one of compassion?
The news won't tell them that the War on Drugs is failing. Some newspaper may try and get a Pulitzer and do a comprehensive study and educate the few of us that still read the newspaper, but besides Barney Frank's upcoming book about heroin, where will the American public get their prodding from?
simple show them stats about what happened to alcohol abuse and gambling linked crime when they were leagalized.
ETA: Will it be easy? No, the American public are sheep but it can be done. Civil Rights, Same sex marriage, repeal of prohibition, are just a few examples of major political positions where over years-decades the American people changed their position on a issue.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
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My moron ex-bf from hs is going to do the shite either way. Making it available to him l
ARE WE GONNA PRETEND THAT THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN???
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:13 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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But how do you have a conversation with your average American that wants to lock up all the druggies and throw away the key?
Not sure it's possible. Most folks are so convinced that use of drugs should be illegal that no amount of evidence will change their mind. They're convinced drug fiends will start burglarizing homes in record numbers and that former dealers will turn to more violent crime. I've had this conversation hundreds of times complete with mountains of evidence and doubt I've convinced a single person to change their mind.
I'm one who did change his mind, used to be one of them.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Exactly. It's a losing battle. In fact, drug enforcement efforts have made using far more dangerous.
Yep if you could see the ingredients in the drugs you are taking, see what it is cut with it, it would be much safer. Last time I did blow, I think it was 99% baby laxative and 1% coke. Very little buzz and shat for 3 days after. Made me quit doing blow though.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:35 am to CherryGarciaMan
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1. Heroin use will spike due to the fact that pharmaceutical narcotics (oxy & roxy) are now mandated to be reformulated chemically so you can no longer get high from snorting it.
Anyone who falls under the above honesty deserves to die. They have absolutely no place in society.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:42 am to ReauxlTide222
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honesty deserves to die. They have absolutely no place in society.
Why?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why?
Somebody who goes out of their way to get oxy and what not to snort when they don't actually need it has a very serious problem.
Anyone who switches to heroin after their drug of choice is diluted has a big fricking problem.
You probably read my post and quickly assumed I'm some stupid redneck Christian wannabe do-gooder who judges folks for being different.
I'm none of the above accept(jk) stupid. Seriously though, frick anybody who had no self control, no matter what the subject. They can only hurt things.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:57 am to ReauxlTide222
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frick anybody who had no self control, no matter what the subject. They can only hurt things.
The world would be devoid of human beings if everyone who lacked self control in some area "deserved to die."
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
That isn't true. But, it's close, and I get your point.
I get shite on in my daily life for this but to me, being a good person is being able to be happy and make others happy without needing them. Don't bring someone down because you can't handle something and don't ruin somebody's day when it has nothing to do with them when it was you who fricked shite up in the first place.
Man I hate, and I mean HATE, people who do drugs and then bitch about how their life sucks. Drugs don't make people's lives suck but they for sure frick up more shite than they fix. I just wish people did their drugs, shut the frick up about it, and either remained safe within society or fricking died.
I get shite on in my daily life for this but to me, being a good person is being able to be happy and make others happy without needing them. Don't bring someone down because you can't handle something and don't ruin somebody's day when it has nothing to do with them when it was you who fricked shite up in the first place.
Man I hate, and I mean HATE, people who do drugs and then bitch about how their life sucks. Drugs don't make people's lives suck but they for sure frick up more shite than they fix. I just wish people did their drugs, shut the frick up about it, and either remained safe within society or fricking died.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:13 am to ReauxlTide222
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I get shite on in my daily life for this but to me, being a good person is being able to be happy and make others happy without needing them. Don't bring someone down because you can't handle something and don't ruin somebody's day when it has nothing to do with them when it was you who fricked shite up in the first place.
Man I hate, and I mean HATE, people who do drugs and then bitch about how their life sucks.
This isn't true for everyone who uses drugs. It's not even true for everyone who has a problem with drugs.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well obviously. I'm not against drugs. Not even close. Just hate when people drag down other folks simply because their life sucks because of drugs.
If a parson is so involved in snorting some pill that they have to resort to heroin when their pill gets weaker then most fricking likely they are a shite person.
I have no stats or proof for this but a bigger percentage of people addicted to drugs are pieces of fricking shite compared to those who aren't addicted to drugs.
If a parson is so involved in snorting some pill that they have to resort to heroin when their pill gets weaker then most fricking likely they are a shite person.
I have no stats or proof for this but a bigger percentage of people addicted to drugs are pieces of fricking shite compared to those who aren't addicted to drugs.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 1:41 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:17 am to Diamondawg
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Diamondawg
Y'all can shoot, snort, burn anything in the hell you want as long as I don't have to pay for you healthcare. Can you just go into the woods or desert and die and not go to an emergency room?
Same argument for control of cigarettes, alcohol, and AHCA, by government. Congratulations on the democratic staple position on all things.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:17 am to ReauxlTide222
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You probably read my post and quickly assumed I'm some stupid redneck Christian wannabe do-gooder who judges folks for being different.
I never thought you were a wannabe.
jk
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 3:55 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:33 am to CherryGarciaMan
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The fact of the matter is, we are about to experience a heroin epidemic in this nation due to 3 factors:
We are already experiencing it.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:39 am to upgrayedd
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I stated this in a thread a month or two ago and I got torn apart.
I just think your stats were out of whack (if I remember correctly)
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:41 am to LaFlyer
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Same argument for control of cigarettes, alcohol, and AHCA, by government. Congratulations on the democratic staple position on all things.
It's a little more complicated than that. You can smoke several packs of cigarettes or drink many cases of beer/bottles of liquor without becoming addicted. There are some heroine users who become addicted in the first few times. It's similar with meth.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:12 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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You can't criminalize vices pertaining to substances humans want to put in their bodies.
True but we can criminalize stupidity.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:19 pm to a want
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I just think your stats were out of whack (if I remember correctly)
I don't think I posted any stats, just merely made a similar statement. But I'm honored you remembered me.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:31 pm to lsu480
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Actually 100% of junkies pay sales tax
No, they don't because most junkies steal stuff to pay for their habit.
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