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re: Just keep the damn thing and let it collapse

Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:13 am to
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:13 am to
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sounds like bad law writing by the DEMs in 2008


Not enforcing a part of a law you want to collapse in order to make it collapse (because you can't muster up enough votes to change said law through the legislative process) is not 'bad law writing', it's sabotage.

I know you know this, but you're going to be argumentative today. Oh joy.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:14 am to
Remind me again of how Trump "gets things done".

It must be nice to have suckers fall for everything you say as gospel. What next? These same dumbasses call him "God Emperor"?



Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:15 am to
quote:

the narrative is simple:


Yes it is.

Democrats want you to keep your high premiums and impossible deductibles.
Posted by Load Toad
Haughton, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1950 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:16 am to
I say let it collapse. Every 4 yrs, the next President and Congress would have rewrite a new health law. The medical system changes at fast pace. The law will always has to be updated.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:17 am to
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is not 'bad law writing', it's sabotage.



Why has it not been enforced up until now?

Thats right, your boy knew it would frick everything up if it was enforced. He walks out of office and leaves the whole country to deal with his mess.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Not enforcing a part of a law you want to collapse in order to make it collapse (because you can't muster up enough votes to change said law through the legislative process) is not 'bad law writing', it's sabotage.

sounds like the DEMs didn't do a good enough job of protecting these allegedly essential aspects of the law

that's bad law writing

the biggest issue is they wrote too big of a law. there are too may moving pieces and they relied upon the assumption that various aspects of their plan that were essential would not be changed. that is legislative insanity, especially since HOW they passed it declared nuclear political war on the GOP
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23796 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:19 am to
quote:

as a consumer it is our duty to buy policies that suit our needs. i did just that for years prior to the ACA


Then tell me, what is your method of examining the details of your policies before you purchase them, and can you negotiate proposed changes in your policies?

I ask this because I know that insurance companies do not negotiate coverage terms for private people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:23 am to
just to be clear

writing a law that's entire existence was based on a requirement mandating insurance coverage that allowed this mandate to be eliminated via EO is a bad law. the basic framework/policy behind the entire premise requires the assumption that no person in the opposition party may ever have control over the executive again (to eliminate the chance of this EO/reg from being passed)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:24 am to
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what is your method of examining the details of your policies before you purchase them

i was always able to read the coverage options in my policies before i purchased them

quote:

and can you negotiate proposed changes in your policies?

no, but i had many options to choose from before the ACA. now i have like 4 options from 1 insurer with policies containing things i don't need covered (like maternity and pregnancy). you REALLY don't want to make the "negotiation" argument to support the ACA (both in theory and practice)

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:25 am to
quote:

sounds like the DEMs didn't do a good enough job of protecting these allegedly essential aspects of the law


Sounds like you're unwilling to admit that what instability exists in the law is purely due to Republican sabotage, not the law itself.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21962 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:26 am to
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Let our healthcare system collapse? Bold strategy for the party that controls all of government


Health Insurance isn't healthcare.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:26 am to
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writing a law that's entire existence was based on a requirement mandating insurance coverage that allowed this mandate to be eliminated via EO is a bad law


It had to be written that way so certain groups could be exempted. Gotta keep those votes coming in.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26988 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:28 am to
quote:

BamaAtl


You're one of the voters Jonathan Gruber was talking about, aren't you?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Health Insurance isn't healthcare.


It's access to health care. If you can't access the care, you can't receive the care.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:29 am to
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Sounds like you're unwilling to admit that what instability exists in the law is purely due to Republican sabotage, not the law itself.

you're wrong

the "instability" is created by the market itself

the problem with regulatory behavior is that it's reactionary and cannot easily adapt to changes in the market (because regulatory behaviors have limits and procedures to amend them)

the DEMs tried a federal takeover of about 1/6 of our economy without the foundation or data required to do so. it left a behemoth of a law that was more expensive than planned and required annual bailouts to cover for the failure of government projection (a perfect example of how regulatory behavior cannot properly respond to markets). also, the law was written so poorly that one of the foundational principles of the law (mandated coverage) was easily eliminated with an executive order

that is all on the DEMs. they have to own it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:30 am to
quote:

It had to be written that way so certain groups could be exempted. Gotta keep those votes coming in.

exactly

they put partisanship over policy-making
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:30 am to
quote:

the "instability" is created by the market itself


The markets are stable. Insurers say this, CMS (with it's Price-appointed head) says this.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:31 am to
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that is all on the DEMs. they have to own it

Good luck with that
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:32 am to
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The markets are stable

without the CSR payments?

is that why my rates are expected to go up ANOTHER 15-33% next year? that's stability?
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:33 am
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:33 am to
quote:

without the CSR payments?


That particular bit of Republican sabotage has added some instability. Without said sabotage, they would be perfectly stable.
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