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re: Jury awards fired Catholic school teacher $1.9 million
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:54 pm to mahdragonz
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:54 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Aren't the schools teaching children who are not sinners? Shouldn't the Church have an interest in teaching the children that the behavior of their parents is wrong?
If the school wants to take money from parents who violate Catholics doctrine like using birth control and divorce then they don't have a moral leg to stand on for a woman who has ivf.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:19 pm to Iosh
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Some facts left out (per this dismissal of interlocutory appeal): she was fired after her second round of IVF. Her first round of IVF she informed the principal, was permitted to take time off for, and had her contract renewed after.
I do think that this makes the decision more understandable. The school not only acknowledged the people treatment, but by allowing time off for it, they indicated that they approved of it. They only have themselves to blame.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:28 pm to Toddy
I haven't really dove into the In vitro issue with the church before, but if it's true that they don't approve of it, it completely contradicts their stance that the purpose of getting married is to procreate. I can understand their abortion stance, but this is just another dipshit rule in the Catholic faith. For the record I am Catholic and yes I think there are a bunch of asinine rules involved with it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:31 pm to Toddy
I was unaware that ivf was a nono. I know several catholic folks that have done ivf.
Willing to bet this is something that was not written down on the contract.
Willing to bet this is something that was not written down on the contract.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:07 pm to LSUnKaty
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Catholic school was wrong but $1.9 mil is way too much.
If this is a Title VII claim, the award will be cut anyway. Title VII has capped damages based on the size of the employer, and the jury can't be told of the applicable caps or else it is a mistrial.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:21 pm to Cruiserhog
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her pregnancy did not affect her performance or make her impossible to work with.
If I drink some eggnog tonight, or a week from now, it will have no impact on my job performance. But it would get me fired if I worked for BYU.
My solution would be to accept those terms or not work for BYU. Yours would be to sue BYU and try to get rich.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:34 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Is it a catholic school open to non-catholics? Most catholic schools will accept any student and many employ non-catholics. Even though it's a private school if it's open to the public it has to follow federal and state laws.
Being a religious institution does not mean you get a pass at state and federal laws on discrimination.
Being a religious institution does not mean you get a pass at state and federal laws on discrimination.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:00 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Being a religious institution does not mean you get a pass at state and federal laws on discrimination.
is mutually exclusive with
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Most catholic schools will accept any student and many employ non-catholics.
They DO practice nondiscrimination. The teacher in question violated the code of conduct for K-12 educators in Catholic schools. There is no discrimination issue involved.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:10 pm to Toddy
I disagree with the verdict, a private school should be able to fire anyone for any reason.
That being said, only religion could convince millions of people that in vitro fertilization is inherently immoral. What an absurd thing for intelligent adults to believe.
That being said, only religion could convince millions of people that in vitro fertilization is inherently immoral. What an absurd thing for intelligent adults to believe.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I disagree with the verdict, a private school should be able to fire anyone for any reason.
Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA disagree.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:02 pm to Toddy
What kind of fricked up weirdos consider IVF a "sin"?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:13 pm to Rickety Cricket
Masterbation is a sin in the Catholic Church. In order to start the IVF process one has to masterbate in order to get the sperm needed to fertilize the egg. That's the start. I am no Cathoilic scholar but that is part of the reasoning.
Also know there are some issues with the numbers of fertilized eggs and what the people do with them (ie selective implementation and cold storage of unused embryos). Remember Carholic Church preaches life starts at conception so every fertilized egg is a new person.
Also know there are some issues with the numbers of fertilized eggs and what the people do with them (ie selective implementation and cold storage of unused embryos). Remember Carholic Church preaches life starts at conception so every fertilized egg is a new person.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:22 pm to STEVED00
Why on earth did she volunteer the information? If the process succeeds, inform them that she's pregnant.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:23 pm to Scrowe
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it completely contradicts their stance that the purpose of getting married is to procreate.
No, it doesn't.
This video explains it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:24 pm to STEVED00
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In order to start the IVF process one has to masterbate in order to get the sperm needed to fertilize the egg.
Would it be sinful to pull out and blow a load into a Petri dish?
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:49 pm to Toddy
The devils in the details
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:06 pm to Toddy
The Catholic Church is against IVF?
Why? Why should catholic families with fertility issues not be able to use sound science to have a child (and perhaps add another number to the dwindling catholic population)?
BS like this is why I left that antiquated organization and will never return.
Why? Why should catholic families with fertility issues not be able to use sound science to have a child (and perhaps add another number to the dwindling catholic population)?
BS like this is why I left that antiquated organization and will never return.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:32 pm to Toddy
Biggest thing I got from this is I still don't understand the court system. $1.9M? Where the hell does that number come from? Compensating for lawyer fees or something?
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:59 pm to LACountyTiger
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BS like this is why I left that antiquated organization and will never return.
Enjoy the fire.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:00 pm to LACountyTiger
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The Catholic Church is against IVF?
Why?
The Catholic Church considers embryos in general (and certainly those created through IVF) as human beings. IVF is expensive, and often for IVF to work one must create a number of embryos. In many cases multiple embryos are implanted, and this can result in the "harvesting" of embryos if multiple implantations are successful. This is viewed by Catholic teaching as similar to an early-term abortion. In addition, if an individual creates multiple embryos capable of implantation but a pregnancy occurs with the implantation of only a few of them, then the remaining embryos are often discarded. The Catholic Church (and pro-life groups in general) is opposed to harvesting implanting embryos or discarding embryos that have not been implanted.
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