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re: Judge: Jury Sees Secret Files or Trump Wins
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'll take that bet
What, are you privy to something, Spectrum?
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:00 am to imjustafatkid
Reading between the lines, Cannon is calling bullshite on Smith’s whole case.
If he can’t show evidence, even cherry-picked documents, of what was so dangerous for Trump to keep, there isn’t a trial there because the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to see evidence against you.
If he can’t show evidence, even cherry-picked documents, of what was so dangerous for Trump to keep, there isn’t a trial there because the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to see evidence against you.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:00 am to Lsut81
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So basically change the jury selection process?
Farther than that. He is saying the jury would just surrender their 4th amendment rights to be forever monitored since they were exposed to classified information.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:01 am to WPBTiger
I mean, this is common sense. If part of the test is whether the records are confidential, the records themselves must be examined to make a determination that they are, in fact, confidential. Prosecution is basically trying to bring a breach of contract case without introducing a copy of the contract into evidence.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:04 am to Godfather1
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What, are you privy to something,
Attachment to reality.
The "Crossfire Hurricane" stuff is a MAGA echo chamber meme that doesn't even make sense.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:05 am to Dixie Normus
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I mean, this is common sense. If part of the test is whether the records are confidential, the records themselves must be examined to make a determination that they are, in fact, confidential.
The documents can be authenticated via other means, though.
A jury doesn't get to demand to see video of a surgery to make a determination that surgical medical records reflect what occurred. The doctor testifies to that.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:07 am to WPBTiger
I haven’t been following this like I should but I read last night that they refused to allow like 1,000 documents into the case that would have benefited greatly for Trump. That’s crazy!
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:08 am to WPBTiger
Check
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
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Attachment to reality.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:12 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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A jury doesn't get to demand to see video of a surgery to make a determination that surgical medical records reflect what occurred. The doctor testifies to that
Um...the jury doesnt "demand" anything. The defense (or plaintiff/prosecution) can absolutely challenge that doctor's testimony regarding the records with the video (if that evidence exists). Ignoring cumulative evidence, five different "experts" can testify about something (and "authenticate" it), but the other side has the right to present the evidence to the finder of fact for them to make the determination.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:10 am to Meauxjeaux
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Not really, they’ve got to show them incredibly redacted docs that look like:
Then they cannot confirm that they are full of national security secrets. Documents like a POTUS’ private correspondence be classified without divulging NATSEC secrets.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:13 am to udtiger
I already said there are procedures in place for these classified documents cases.
And if the video doesn't exist, they rely on their own experts/testimony to attack the credibility of the records.
Sure, which doesn't always require seeing "how the sausage is made". That's why we have experts do that for the jury instead.
*ETA: I already said there are precedents in how these types of cases are handled. This trial just needs to follow proper protocol within that scheme. If that requires getting the jurors qualified to view the documents, then so be it.
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The defense (or plaintiff/prosecution) can absolutely challenge that doctor's testimony regarding the records with the video (if that evidence exists).
And if the video doesn't exist, they rely on their own experts/testimony to attack the credibility of the records.
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but the other side has the right to present the evidence to the finder of fact for them to make the determination.
Sure, which doesn't always require seeing "how the sausage is made". That's why we have experts do that for the jury instead.
*ETA: I already said there are precedents in how these types of cases are handled. This trial just needs to follow proper protocol within that scheme. If that requires getting the jurors qualified to view the documents, then so be it.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:14 am to WPBTiger
If I’m reading the tenor of the article correctly, then the author thinks that the jury should be told by the folks who are prosecuting, “We can’t show you the evidence, but just trust us: Orange Man Bad.”
Good for the judge.
Good for the judge.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:15 am to Godfather1
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If those documents are (as suspected) about Crossfire Hurricane, Jack is in a bit of a pickle.
This ^
...I wonder if redaction is allowed.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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The "Crossfire Hurricane" stuff is a MAGA echo chamber meme that doesn't even make sense.
Well… neither did the Steele Dossier or the actual investigation dubbed “Crossfire Hurricane”.. but here we are.
Btw… the FBI has placed crossfire hurricane docs for public access to save them the FOIA processing on it. If anyone should want some light.. heavily redacted.. reading.
FBI public link.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:21 am to TBoy
what if he's just a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory?
case dismissed right, turd?
case dismissed right, turd?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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I already said there are procedures in place for these classified documents cases.
For people actually violating the law possessing them, giving them to someone with no ability to view, and with never any ability to declassify.
You know.. like Joe Biden.
Except this case isn’t like any of the others.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:33 am to CleverUserName
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Well… neither did the Steele Dossier or the actual investigation dubbed “Crossfire Hurricane
Yeah those didn't make sense either and I said the same thing. I expect to be right again
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:33 am to TBoy
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Show them to the jurors under controlled circumstances. That isn’t terribly difficult. But they should also monitor the jurors to see if they have any improper contacts with outside agents. Advise the jurors that all of this is going on, and get on with it.
So they can't be like democratic politicians and operatives and plan releases of senstitive material with the media?
Why not? That doesn't sound fair.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:35 am to roadGator
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frick whoever wrote this stupid dig
We like it rural in St Lucie County.
I really, really hope I get picked for jury duty.
My daughter was called in last week, but didn't get selected.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 8:36 am
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