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re: John Kelly brings truth to the table for all to see.. more deaths than 12 years of Vietnam
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:06 pm to MButterfly
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:06 pm to MButterfly
Policy shouldn't emphasize making and enforcing laws to inhibit consumption...
We already have actual history of the vast amount of unintended consequences that such efforts to legislate morality can bring. It was called Prohibition and it created a nation of scofflaws, put people out of work, incentivized murderous organized crime syndicates - not to mention being a big lever for the creation of the Federal Income Tax -among many, many other negatives.
More reasonable policy would be to focus legislative efforts which inhibit causation and alleviate symptoms related to drug use and abuse.
Legislation supporting economic and social opportunity/mobility are important, IMO. But some form of legalization seems sensible in that you could ensure quality and tax products to at once regulate consumption and pay for any number of related costs.
We already have actual history of the vast amount of unintended consequences that such efforts to legislate morality can bring. It was called Prohibition and it created a nation of scofflaws, put people out of work, incentivized murderous organized crime syndicates - not to mention being a big lever for the creation of the Federal Income Tax -among many, many other negatives.
More reasonable policy would be to focus legislative efforts which inhibit causation and alleviate symptoms related to drug use and abuse.
Legislation supporting economic and social opportunity/mobility are important, IMO. But some form of legalization seems sensible in that you could ensure quality and tax products to at once regulate consumption and pay for any number of related costs.
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:07 pm to MButterfly
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'Your' in the general sense.
humans like to take drugs, dude
again, you'd support the feds making alcohol a schedule 1 drug?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:09 pm to MButterfly
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That network will cost FAR more than the current method of locking them up.
Link?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:10 pm to MButterfly
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When did we create a system that requires my tax dollars to fix you getting your fix?
Well, right now your tax dollars are paying to lock them up and not help stop taking drugs. We spend way more now than if we viewed the issue as medical instead of criminal.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in this hypothetical strawman that you've created, you're making a huge assumption here. you're completely overlooking recidivism and long-term economic viability of drug addicts
it wouldn't take that much of a % of the users to change their behavior to shift the costs way in the direction of rehab for these reasons
Not proven anywhere.. ever.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:10 pm to MButterfly
in 2016, deaths from synthetic opioids were 9,580.
prescription painkillers took the highest toll...abuse of drugs like Oxycontin and Vicodin killed 17,536.
so a total of 27,116...over half of the total overdose deaths...were from medications you can obtain at your local neighborhood pharmacy.
i wonder if this war will be carried out against the cartel known as Big Pharma?
yeah...
prescription painkillers took the highest toll...abuse of drugs like Oxycontin and Vicodin killed 17,536.
so a total of 27,116...over half of the total overdose deaths...were from medications you can obtain at your local neighborhood pharmacy.
i wonder if this war will be carried out against the cartel known as Big Pharma?
yeah...
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:12 pm to MButterfly
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When did we create a system that requires my tax dollars to fix you getting your fix?
Well, the current system requires your tax dollars to pay for them to be in jail, not getting rehab, and not being able to get a job and pay their own share of tax dollars once they get out where they inevitably get sent back to jail because they weren't rehabbed.
And if you legalize it, then you can get tax dollars by regulating and taxing the shite out of their drug of choice. Could also create decent paying, legal jobs.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:14 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Simple solutions here
A) legalize everything
B) Death penalty for driving while impaired
C) Life in prison for providing substances to children, no parole
D) Legalization does not mean your employer can't drug test you and fire you as a condition of employment
I could get on board with this if it were possible. The problem with B is that alcohol is the only drug that metabolizes fast enough to be able to get a reliable and accurate measure of whether someone is currently impaired or not.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:15 pm to MButterfly
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Not proven anywhere.. ever.
i posted as much evidence as you did
LINK
the WOD costs $36B a year
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:16 pm to Lakeboy7
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Hmmm, rampant prescribing of opiates that hooks millions;
then take opiates away
This. What'd they think was going to happen? This epidemic is on the DEA.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:17 pm to bencoleman
All comes back to Natural Selection if you ask me
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:18 pm to NIH
I believe Portugal had to put in over 28K to address the issue (will look that up)
Portugal has 10 million people. We have 320 million. That's 32 times the amount needed based off the Portugal highly touted system.
That's roughly 1 million rehabs needed to service the load. Currently there are 1,700 state pens, 102 federal pens, 3,300 local jails housing these people locked up.
Which will cost more?
Portugal has 10 million people. We have 320 million. That's 32 times the amount needed based off the Portugal highly touted system.
That's roughly 1 million rehabs needed to service the load. Currently there are 1,700 state pens, 102 federal pens, 3,300 local jails housing these people locked up.
Which will cost more?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:19 pm to MButterfly
China got rid of its opium problem by lining up all of the addicts and shooting them.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:19 pm to Kyrie Eleison
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in 2016, deaths from synthetic opioids were 9,580. prescription painkillers took the highest toll...abuse of drugs like Oxycontin and Vicodin killed 17,536. so a total of 27,116...over half of the total overdose deaths...were from medications you can obtain at your local neighborhood pharmacy. i wonder if this war will be carried out against the cartel known as Big Pharma? yeah...
Are you asserting there's no need for pain meds? If not, I'm not sure what you're asserting.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:19 pm to MButterfly
you do realize that our current system provides rehabilitation services for people in jail for drugs, both while incarcerated and after parole, right?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:19 pm to Kyrie Eleison
Already addressed in this thread. The deaths are lower than 2011...
That's not the increase.
That's not the increase.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
I giving you data.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:28 pm to MButterfly
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I giving you data.
i mean, not really
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the WOD costs $36B a year
This would seem difficult at best to compile. Many drug offenses are the result of drugs found during investigations of other crimes. People sentenced under drug statutes are often the result of other crimes being plead down to drug possession.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:32 pm to MSMHater
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But locks up an exponential more number of users than cartel members.
Wierd. Why punish the victims, if he truly believes what he says?
But... Cartels don live in the US and socialist liberals piss their pants and cry like newborn babies if the US operates militarily in another country.
Soooooo. I guess you have to go after the targets you can get.
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