Joe really touched some nerves

He is lying, but it was a lie he wanted to use…. Meh, he’ll probably still use the lie

That’s not why you get downvoted.

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needs to be reformed. Push back retirement age and / or means test.

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How about shut OFF SS and cut everyone a check (who has put money INTO the system). Get rid of SS after it’s paid out. Easy peasy.

I could make far better use of what I put in than the government will.

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Getting downvoted because of the fricking waste and those of us who are responsible not ever getting the benefit back out or a lessened benefit than what we could have done on our own.

frick YOU

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Bingo! A working married couple over age 62 will never get all the Social Security and Medicare benefits that were paid in by them and their employers.

frick you, and everything you enjoy.

Tough luck? We are FORCED to pay OUR money into it. It's OURS to take back.

Wish awful things on you dude. Awful things.

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Typical thief thought pattern.

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Does the insurance companies pay you back everything you send them?

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Does the insurance companies pay you back everything you send them?

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no. nor do they coerce you to make payments for their product. As HAS BEEN ALWAYS REQUIRED OF EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN as they pay for this foundational element of Americans retirement.

only way that can change on a fair basis is to stop taking money from a very early stage from the people who scum like like you try to decide will no longer have that foundation

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It needs to be reformed. Push back retirement age and / or means test.

Edit: Getting downvoted by all those fiscal conservatives

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Yeah let’s take away from the people that paid for it for all of their lives.

So just to show what a rip off SS is, I put together how much I would have earned from SS with 5% yoy growth. I factored in what my employer puts in as well, so the full 12.4%. I've been maxing out SS since 1997, I projected this out to 2030. It came out to $1.15M, my wife is pretty much in the same boat as me. So basically $2.3M the government has stolen from my family, money I could retire on or my kids could inherit. Instead of letting families accumulate generational wealth, we get a Ponzi scheme.