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re: Japanese ship caught whaling
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:53 pm to theenemy
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:53 pm to theenemy
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If it weren't for trophy hunters Africa would have no reason what so ever to preserve their wildlife.
You remove the money coming into those countries from legit hunters and those gov'ts will allow poachers to decimate those populations.
Due to hunting revenues the animals are protected like any other commodity.
Upvoted.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:55 pm to Foch
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Does anyone really think the money goes where it is supposed to? Zimbabwe and Kenya can't manage anything, but your hands (if you are a trophy hunting dentist) are clean because of their ethical management of threatened species?
It must be going somewhere useful because countries that allow elephant hunting have many more elephants than countries where the practice is banned.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 10:08 pm to weagle99
Where hunting is illegal...cattle is more profitable and wildlife is a nuisance.
Why share water and food with large animals like elephants and rhinos?
Why risk losing cattle to lions and leopards?
But when you allow for paid hunts then you have a reason to to have wildlife and a reason to stop poaching.
Why share water and food with large animals like elephants and rhinos?
Why risk losing cattle to lions and leopards?
But when you allow for paid hunts then you have a reason to to have wildlife and a reason to stop poaching.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 10:33 pm to theenemy
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If it weren't for trophy hunters Africa would have no reason what so ever to preserve their wildlife.
You are overlooking other tourism generated by those animals. I'm not advocating making trophy hunts illegal, that's up to those countries to decide.
I don't see an easy answer to the problem, but merely am pointing out the difference between conservation promoting hunts here in a functioning place, and there where corruption more likely rules.
If you are into trophy hunts I certainly won't stand in your way, but don't tell me that all of your money gets reinvested to furthering the species and not towards furthering some corrupt officials checking account balance. I'm sure some goes to help, but game management as a rule can't be the exception to rule of poor governance in most of Africa.
Also, I doubt most national parks in Africa would magically turn to farmland or livestock. I doubt giraffes would suddenly threaten the populations.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 10:47 pm to Foch
Eco tourism contributes a fraction what hunting does.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:40 pm to DavidTheGnome
japan doesn't frick around.. those guys are screwed
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:42 pm to goatmilker
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Hey dumbass we don't eat babies.
We just profit from the goodies in the umbilical cord.
small price to pay for the rewards
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:43 am to Salt Lick
Whales aren't fish. So it's mammaling
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:45 am to DavidTheGnome
When I first read this thread title I was positive this was going to be about some frats exploits on a booze cruise.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:20 am to Lsupimp
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The Japanese do not draw a moral distinction between whales/marine mammals and fish. To many of them, it is just lunch are they are dug in on this.
Pigs, goats, sheep, cows, deer, nutria, rabbit, squirrel, pronghorn, elk, moose, beaver, bear, bison, guinea pig, caribou, etc..
Why do we have "moral" outrage with eating whale? Hundreds of thousands of cute little puppy dogs are killed and eaten daily in Asia. All hunted whale populations are growing. These are sustainable harvest of high quality foods.
This is not a slam at Lsupimp. I think he is just giving information and not taking a moral stance.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:24 am to Foch
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Does the exotic game hunter who pays for tags really think that the money he pays is entirely going towards sustainability?
Why do you assume that must be a factor???
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:29 am to DavidTheGnome
I was so expecting this to be a picture of some yacht with fatties on it.
On a more serious note...Did it just jump up there by itself? Where is the crew/deckhands?
On a more serious note...Did it just jump up there by itself? Where is the crew/deckhands?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:33 am to theenemy
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cattle is more profitable and wildlife is a nuisance.
We need to have capitalism do for elephants, what it has done for cattle.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:48 am to TrueTiger
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We need to have capitalism do for elephants, what it has done for cattle.
Absolutely! I, for one, miss the old umbrella holder elephant legs, not to mention the potential of marketing "Spicy Elephant Wings" for tailgate parties..or nice little raw rounds of elephant trunk "Sushi" for the hipsters...maybe the ears could become a new "Sham-wow" type of towel? A lot of possibilities with elephants. They're so darn big!
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:11 am to Dale51
A female whale has a one baby every two to three years.
These animals just don't reproduce fast enough to be hunted.
These animals just don't reproduce fast enough to be hunted.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:11 am to Foch
There have been nuggets of truth in every post on the trophy hunts:
- A lot of money is paid by a hunter to shot an animal
- money paid mainly lines the pocket of the local in control, not the govt
- the person getting paid has an interest to keep the income stream going
- the animals are protected due to their value, not some moral obligation.
- hunter gets to post pictures on Facebook
- management based on value is a slippery slope.
I have about as much respect for a big 5 kill as I do for a high fenced whitetail. It's completely for ego.
- A lot of money is paid by a hunter to shot an animal
- money paid mainly lines the pocket of the local in control, not the govt
- the person getting paid has an interest to keep the income stream going
- the animals are protected due to their value, not some moral obligation.
- hunter gets to post pictures on Facebook
- management based on value is a slippery slope.
I have about as much respect for a big 5 kill as I do for a high fenced whitetail. It's completely for ego.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:36 am to Gaspergou202
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All hunted whale populations are growing.
Source?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:39 am to bird35
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A female whale has a one baby every two to three years. These animals just don't reproduce fast enough to be hunted.
Is logic a foreign language for you, or or you just presenting false information to make your argument?
As long as whale births and survival out number deaths including harvesting the population will increase. The hunted species populations are increasing. That is more than "sustainable".
Population numbers depend upon many factors. Among them are total numbers of live births in an average females life time, survival rate, habitat resources, etc.
Cherry picking one little factoid is either sophomoric or dishonest. Species survival is not a valid point to ban whaling.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:41 am to DavidTheGnome
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no market for this in Japan either, lots of meat just sitting in freezers on put into animal feed.
I had some last time I went… yummy.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:57 am to scrooster
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Honestly ... whalers should be blown outta the water. Shark finners should as well. Trophy hunters in Africa ... should be hunted themselves, to extinction. People caught slaughtering elephants for their tusks ... should be impaled on said tusks and put on display. Same for rhino hunters.
frick'em all ... kill'em and send'em to hell where they belong.
Same for baby seal hunters.
Agree 100%
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