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re: It's very foolish for Trump to publicly mock our intelligence agencies
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:02 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:02 pm to Navytiger74
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***That's one side of the equation.*** The other side, that Russia sought to influence our elections, is the matter at hand. I understand the consternation Trump and his team and supporters feel about the continued churn on this, but that's just tough. It needs to be addressed.
Maybe.
But it doesn't change the result of the election. And that's really what is pissing off the beltway crowd. The people said "Eff you" to the Beltway and they can't understand how or why it happened. It certainly couldn't have happened organically in their worldview. So it has to be an outside influence. And that's just bullshite.
We're tired of all of them. And they need to shape up before the tarring and feathering starts or the guillotines get warmed up. I don't say that as a threat or as a call to action. It's simply the way people work throughout history. And we're not immune to it.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:02 pm to Navytiger74
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We've been saying "Cyber's the next domain of war" for over 10 damn years. It's time we stop treating it like a child's game.
The only reason this is a story is because Hillionaire lost.Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:04 pm to Jbird
quote:Maybe you're in a different business than I, Jbird. And it was news during the election.
The only reason this is a story is because Hillionaire lost.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:04 pm to Navytiger74
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The media have published leaked (i.e. stolen) information--private and government, and sometimes highly classified. I never cottoned to the practice. But that's not what's at issue.
Yeah, but the media didn't steal the information in those cases. In this situation, the Russians stole it. The media played the role of Wikileaks, not the hackers.
Anyway, I appreciate your response. Former military? I can see why you had a well thought out response on this.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:05 pm to Navytiger74
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We've been saying "Cyber's the next domain of war" for over 10 damn years. It's time we stop treating it like a child's game.
I agree. And the first step would be prosecuting Hillary for her private server. That would be a great show of the seriousness with which we treat our information and want to fight hackers.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:06 pm to Navytiger74
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Maybe you're in a different business than I, Jbird. And it was news during the election.
No it wouldn't fricking be a story if it had been the Republican servers hacked. Cmon man.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:07 pm to Navytiger74
quote:And one more time brother, if she had won this shite would have died down.
Maybe you're in a different business than I, Jbird. And it was news during the election.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:10 pm to Toddy
It's kinda funny how a thread criticizing Trump gets anchored.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:10 pm to the808bass
quote:I'm sure some analysis has been done about the degree to which various leaks influenced the contours of the election. My money is that they may have had a meaningful impact. But I'm not anymore interested in that than is Trump. People had more information become available to them (by whatever means) and made their decisions as they saw fit.
But it doesn't change the result of the election. And that's really what is pissing off the beltway crowd. The people said "Eff you" to the Beltway and they can't understand how or why it happened. It certainly couldn't have happened organically in their worldview. So it has to be an outside influence. And that's just bullshite.
Still, I'm not going to brush aside the fact that the Russian government, who have sought to influence probably every one of our elections since the War, as they've influenced various other facets of our lives, should pay a price for their interference.
Think of it as a business decision. No one's talking "hot" war. But it's a great pivot to taking Cyber threats seriously. Otherwise, what's to stop this from metastasizing into something that eventually does concern you and yours.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:13 pm to the808bass
quote:Hacks were attempted on the GOP servers. It was reported. But in the interest of transparency and playing to the perceptions game, I think Clinton was seen by many as the "natural" victor, so there would have been less scrutiny if she had won. Now if she had won and almost all leaked info had been against the GOP (especially if it affected some Congressional races) we'd still be in the same ballpark. Maybe a bit less of an uproar.
No it wouldn't fricking be a story if it had been the Republican servers hacked. Cmon man.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:14 pm to Jbird
quote:All else being equal, it would have been dealt with much more quietly. If the leaks had seemed as one-sided in favor of the DNC and she had won I'm not so sure. It probably wouldn't be this big a story, but it would persist.
And one more time brother, if she had won this shite would have died down.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:15 pm to the808bass
quote:If it can be shown in court that she broke a federal statute or regulation on the books, I'm all for it.
I agree. And the first step would be prosecuting Hillary for her private server. That would be a great show of the seriousness with which we treat our information and want to fight hackers.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:19 pm to cahoots
quote:Current, actually. And a member of the much maligned community.
Former military?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:24 pm to Navytiger74
quote:lol no. We'd be in the ballpark of how corrupt the GOP is. I know you know this.
Now if she had won and almost all leaked info had been against the GOP (especially if it affected some Congressional races) we'd still be in the same ballpark. Maybe a bit less of an uproar.
I am going to go ahead and state as fact beyond any shadow of a doubt that Russia had zero affect on the election or if they did it was less than 1% of 1%. I was told by every leftist on this board during the email dumps that they were a big nothingburger, no bombshells, Hillary would still win and blah blah blah. The Russians didn't make Hillary a shitty candidate. The Russians didn't make her ignore the rust belt. The Russians didn't make her call people a basket of deplorables. The Russians didn't make the DNC be the party of gays and women and minorities only. The Russians didn't pass or support the ACA. The Russians didn't fabricate any information or change a single vote. I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the DNC and the media attempted to influence the election in untruthful ways by rigging debates. I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is voter fraud conducted by democratic political operatives across this country.
Russia, or some other country, has attempted to influence every single election in this country since 1776 and we have done the same countless times but all of the sudden now it's constant front page news, congressional hearings and CIA and FBI investigations? Sorry, no fricking dice. Hillary lost because she sucks and the DNC sucks and that's the end of the story. If cyber warfare was such a big deal then the media and the left should have taken it seriously before they lost a election. Now they're just sore losers and I don't give a flying frick if they got hacked.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:I am going to state as fact beyond any shadow of a doubt that you cannot definitively state this.
I am going to go ahead and state as fact beyond any shadow of a doubt that Russia had zero affect on the election or if they did it was less than 1% of 1%.
quote:Well I take your point, but the Tsar in 1776 wasn't too worried about our elections.
Russia, or some other country, has attempted to influence every single election in this country since 1776
quote:That is indeed why Hillary lost.
Hillary lost because she sucks and the DNC sucks and that's the end of the story.
quote:Now you're just emoting on me, dude.
If cyber warfare was such a big deal then the media and the left should have taken it seriously before they lost a election. Now they're just sore losers and I don't give a flying frick if they got hacked.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:33 pm to Navytiger74
I'm sorry, I'm not going to take this seriously because they only care because it's political. Nobody seemed to give a shite when China hacked half the country's social security numbers.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:35 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Well as someone who was compromised in the OPM leak, I cared.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to take this seriously because they only care because it's political. Nobody seemed to give a shite when China hacked half the country's social security numbers.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:38 pm to Navytiger74
Why is this anchored?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:quote:
It needs to be addressed.
How so?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I'm sorry, I'm not going to take this seriously because they only care because it's political. Nobody seemed to give a shite when China hacked half the country's social security numbers.
That doesn't matter. They were wrong then. No reason to repeat that.
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