re: Is there a rich country that got that way thru leftist policies?

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the communism that is inherent in US Military spending?

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Communism has nothing to do with military spending.

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got so fat and happy due to new deal policies

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The policies that prolonged the Great Depression for a decade?

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Would this be economic, political, or military growth? You are making claims of all three and some are more true than others (although none are truly significant compared to post-ww2 activity)

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I am not going to argue ad infinitum with you that the US was not a significantly stronger player on the world stage in 1930 (compared to 1900) economically, politically or militarily. I believe that most rational (undrunk) and intelligent people from all political perspectives would agree with that. If you can't bring yourself to agree with that then there is no point in my saying any more.

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By your logic, any growth at all is proof of the effectiveness of leftist policies

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Where have I said anything that faintly resembles that? You are here tonight just to argue.....never mind how rambling an argument you make.

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What is your point then? Which period of growth, specifically, do you attribute to leftist policies?

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just wait...."Obama saved the economy" is coming.

I have said it several times throughout this thread. Go back and read my comments throughout the thread.

Wait, you expect to get any credibility by presenting a graph that shows that China had the same per capita GDP as Great Britain in 1979???

In 1979 China was still a communist agrarian nightmare of a country. It couldn't even feed its own people. It's per capita GDP was way, way, way lower than that of Great Britain.

.....and that in 1975 India had the same pc GDP as Japan....jesus christ that is dumb.

For frick's sake, come up with better sources than that.

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white dudes came over here slaughtered the Indians stole their lands

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The USA is in India? So, the different tribes never "stole" land from other tribes before us evil white men came?

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then others enslaved blacks

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The black man enslaved the black man and sold the black man to the white man/black man

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Asians to build America's infrastructure and put in laws to protect themselve

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So we went to Asia, captured a bunch of Asians with traps baited with rice, brought them here and forced them to build railways? Hmm. I always thought they immigrated here legally to find work and a new life in the "land of opportunity"


Hmm. You really are dumb, huh?

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Wait, you expect to get any credibility by presenting a graph that shows that China had the same per capita GDP as Great Britain in 1979???

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Considering the graph shows China around 10% of Great Britan's per capita GDP that year, I honestly don't know what you are smoking.

Ditto for the India-Japan comparison.

But it does explain quite a bit.


Honestly, if you still read that going back, get yourself checked for color blindness, because that's the only "nice" explanation I have.

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Most wealthy countries got that way by white dudes slaughtering the inhabitants and enslaving them to build up their empires.

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You do know they are still doing that in those left leaning countries, right?

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Is there a rich country that got that way thru leftist policies?


Yes. This one.

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When unions mattered, prosperity was shared

By E.J. Dionne Jr.
Monday, September 6, 2010

Watching the great civil rights march on television in August 1963, I couldn't help but notice that hundreds of people carried signs with a strange legend at the top: "UAW Says." UAW was saying "Segregation Disunites the United States," and many other things insisting on equality.

This "UAW" was a very odd word to my 11-year-old self, and I asked my dad who or what "U-awe," as I pronounced it, was. The letters, he explained, stood for United Auto Workers.

It was some years later when I learned about the heroic battles of the UAW, not only on behalf of those who worked in the great car plants but also for social and racial justice across our society. Walter Reuther, the gallant and resolutely practical egalitarian who led the union for many years, was one of Martin Luther King Jr.'s close allies.

Remembering that moment is bittersweet on a Labor Day when so many Americans are unemployed, wages are stagnant or dropping, and the labor movement itself is in stark decline.

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You might accuse me of being a union romantic, and in some ways I am, having grown up in a union town, loved the great union songs, and imbibed such novels about labor's struggles as John Steinbeck's fine and underrated "In Dubious Battle." So, for the record, I am fully aware of the union movement's failures. I recognize that certain unions became corrupt and that others were decidedly undemocratic, that some union contracts proved excessive, and that "solidarity" could turn into intimidation.

Yet these problems get more than ample attention, while labor's achievements go largely unmentioned. The hugely constructive contributions of Reuther (or Sidney Hillman or Eugene V. Debs) are barely noted in standard renditions of U.S. history. Few Americans under 35 have much direct experience with unions. When the word "union" appears in the media these days, it is typically invoked in stories about teachers resisting school reform or the pension costs burdening local governments.

All but forgotten is the fact that our nation's extraordinary prosperity from the end of World War II to the 1970s was in significant part the result of union contracts that, in words the right wing hated Barack Obama for saying in 2008, "spread the wealth around." A broad middle class with spending power to keep the economy moving created a virtuous cycle of low joblessness and high wages.

Between 1966 and 1970, as Gerald Seib pointed out last week in the Wall Street Journal, the United States enjoyed an astonishing 48 straight months in which the unemployment rate was at or below 4 percent. No, the unions didn't do all this by themselves. But they were important co-authors of a social contract that made our country fairer, richer and more productive."

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