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re: Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:06 pm to asurob1
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:06 pm to asurob1
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I own that. You call yourself a Christian, yet instead of turning the other cheek towards gays you want to come up with a way where you can be a bigot AND still get into heaven.
One is supposed to turn the other cheek towards being personally mistreated by others for doing good, not turning ones cheek toward sinful behaviors. Show me a passage of scripture where Jesus embraces any kind of sin or ask us to?
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:09 pm to goldennugget
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Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
What do your religious views on marriage have to do with secular state marriage?
Clearly you don't like gay people which you are entitled to do, however, people are also entitled to call you an idiot and refuse to buy what you're selling....for your wanting to impose your bigoted views on others through unequal application of the law you bear the price and the criticism.
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I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
There shouldn't be any state sanctioned marriage...you contract as you like. If you want to get "married" join a church.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:10 pm to Revelator
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One is supposed to turn the other cheek towards being personally mistreated by others for doing good, not turning ones cheek toward sinful behaviors. Show me a passage of scripture where Jesus embraces any kind of sin or ask us to?
Why should the apparatus of the state be used to force your beliefs on others?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:10 pm to asurob1
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The OP is a homophobe and a bigot.
Where did the OP ever state that he had a fear of gay people?
The lackadaisical usage of that term bothers me even more than calling someone a bigot. Generally, many people are bigoted towards the people they are calling bigots. Therefore, I am not really bothered by that type of language.
However, I find the current labeling of people who object to gay marriage based on religious or moral grounds as homophobes to be intellectually dishonest.
Personally, I think this so called movement has been handled poorly by people on both sides.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:13 pm to Revelator
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One is supposed to turn the other cheek towards being personally mistreated by others for doing good, not turning ones cheek toward sinful behaviors. Show me a passage of scripture where Jesus embraces any kind of sin or ask us to?
Luke 6:29
…28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29"Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30"Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.…
Seems like to me old Luke is saying that god wants you to let gays change the meaning of marriage...and for you to stop whining about it.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:13 pm to goldennugget
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According to the left and gay lobby, there is no middle ground, if you are against gay marriage and believe homosexuality is a sin, you are an anti-gay hate filled bigot who deserves ridicule at the highest extent.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
Yeah, I'm sure God has a major problem with two people loving one another to the point that they want to profess their commitment with a public and legal ceremony. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:14 pm to DCRebel
quote:Try reading it again.
So you don't mind homosexuality, and you don't have a problem with gay marriage, but you still can't support it because you hold a grudge against some people who do? Is that what I'm supposed to get out of this?
It's not their sexuality I have a problem with. It's their religious bigotry I have a problem with.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:16 pm to Taxing Authority
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It's their religious bigotry I have a problem with.
Funny, it's the same thing gays have a problem with...
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:17 pm to goldennugget
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goldennugget
It is absolutely possible. However left leaners will just throw a strawman, blanket argument out about how religion is intolerant and yada yada yada (insert double standard excuses here).
I don't eat liver because I think it's absolutely disgusting but I don't take issue with people who like it. I Guess they are the fools for being friends with a bigot.
ETA: definition of biggoted: having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.
Seems to me this defines someone other than an individual who is against gay marriage but does not let that affect his actions towards pro gay marriage individuals.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:19 pm to asurob1
quote:Indeed. but it appears they want to become exactly what they claim to despise.
Funny, it's the same thing gays have a problem with...
I simply don't hold the view that instituting more bigotry will lessen another's bigotry. Two wrongs don't make a right. They cause people to become more entrenched.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. I simply don't hold the view that instituting more bigotry will lessen another's bigotry. Two wrongs don't make a right. They cause people to become more entrenched.
Which is why I think using labels like homophobic has become more common.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:22 pm to asurob1
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No not really
Did you happen to notice the examples used are all from the OT? The NT has 'what the bible teaches' for today. It is all about context.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:22 pm to Taxing Authority
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It's not their sexuality I have a problem with. It's their religious bigotry I have a problem with.
Why do you imagine gays might have a problem with religious people like goldennugget?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:24 pm to Bmath
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Generally, many people are bigoted towards the people they are calling bigots.
If you properly identify someone like goldennugget as a bigot you are a bigot? So if you don't like racists, you're racist against racists?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:24 pm to cwill
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Why do you imagine gays might have a problem with religious people like goldennugget?
They shouldn't. Did he not say he would treat them the same as anyone else?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:25 pm to cwill
There is a difference in not agreeing with gay marriage vs hating gays.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:25 pm to cwill
quote:Why isn't much of a mystery. But what does reflected bigotry solve?
Why do you imagine gays might have a problem with religious people like goldennugget?
It's silly to think you will reform bigots by being more bigoted toward them than they are to you.
MLK understood this.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:25 pm to cwill
Double tap
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:26 pm to Taxing Authority
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I simply don't hold the view that instituting more bigotry will lessen another's bigotry. Two wrongs don't make a right. They cause people to become more entrenched.
It would appear that the religious bigot trench is shrinking and the trench of those who prefer equal treatment under the law or just don't give a shite is growing.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:26 pm to cwill
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Why should the apparatus of the state be used to force your beliefs on others?
Sorry, but the apparatus of the state forces it's will on me every day through its laws and mandates.
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