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Is affordable healthcare a human right?

Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:48 pm
This seems to be the snappy liberal comeback when you tell them that the ACA sucked.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:50 pm to
You have a right to engage in trade and commerce with someone who offers healthcare.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to
how can someone ELSE'S service be a right?
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to
No.

If someone else has to provide it it is not a right.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to
No. What else you wanna know?
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:52 pm to
NO
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3632 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

how can someone ELSE'S service be a right?


As a physician I agree. But what about public defenders? Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:53 pm to
You don't have the right to someone else's labor, and affordable is very relative. When healthcare costs little to nothing for the least wealthy, they have fewer incentives to lead a healthy lifestyle.

But hey, it's the government, they're capable of making anything a right, just don't be surprised when the quality of medical professionals drop over time.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.


They choose to enter the public sector and/or take jobs as a public defender, they're not forced to. It is also a Constitutionally afforded right.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:56 pm to
First....define affordable
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 7:58 pm
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

But what about public defenders?


who forced them into becoming a public defender?

that's a CHOICE they made.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:01 pm to
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...The US is the wealthiest nation on Earth and governed by some of the most complete imbeciles ever created, it's unconscionable that this country cannot provide a modicum of healthcare to care for it's citizens from cradle to grave.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

But what about public defenders? Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.


IMO only because our system of government grants people the right to fair trials and specifically states in the 6th Amendment the right to have the assistance of counsel. I think it could be argued that the right to counsel is not a natural right at all.

But since it is granted by our system of government, and since the legal system is complex enough that an undue burden would be placed on citizens if they were expected to all be experts enough in matters of law to aptly represent themselves, it is IMO appropriate for the legal system to provide counsel in order to comply with the 6th Amendment.
Posted by CommoDawg
Member since Jun 2015
2322 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:03 pm to
Yes
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:05 pm to
Is healthcare a right?

America decided this a while ago. Yes.

If you think otherwise, be cognizant of the consequences of that.

As of right now we have decided it is not morally or legally justified to deny emergency care if you can't show ability to pay.

To truly put teeth into people saying "NO" would require eliminating that guarantee.

That may mean many hospitals will do it out of the kindness of their heart, and that will drive up costs if people can't pay, like happens now, but it also can mean that if your Mother is walking her dog and gets hit by a drunk driver that runs off, and the ambulance can not verify insurance, they would technically be justified in leaving you for dead. If you show up with a gun wound to an ER, they can deny that person stabilizing treatment without adequate proof of insurance.

Cost is a different story. America's Frankenstein private/public system is already the most expensive in the world. By all evidence a true UHC would both increase access and drive down per person costs.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 8:09 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:05 pm to
No "right" to sick care services (current model for treating people when they are sick) as outlined by numerous posters preceding me


Everyone has the right to healthcare through wellness. This does not require services to be rendered.

It requires that individuals be educated on practical ways to do the following:

-eat (or not eat. Most adult American would benefit from intermittent fasting)
-exercise (minimal effective dose for each individual)
-sleep/rest
-manage stress/ their environment

It is not politically expedient to advise folks to eat less meals (anti-consumerism, "War on Hunger", etc) and focus on resting /restorative functions (anti-work/anti-capitalism).

Society places little value on the above, hence you get terms like "healthcare". The word itself is somewhat of a false premise.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 9:26 pm
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26259 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:08 pm to
Is healthcare run by the government?

Fortunately, it isn't and therefore the answer to your question is a resounding "frick no"

No American citizen has the RIGHT to walk into another citizens place of business and say "I am entitled to your product and at a price that I say is fair."
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10561 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

As of right now we have decided it is not morally or legally justified to deny emergency care if you can't show ability to pay.


I am assuming the OP was referring to routine healthcare, not emergency. I do not believe anyone is arguing against emergency health services.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
166135 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:12 pm to
No but affordable auto insurance is
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
49957 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:12 pm to
Affordable healthcare is not synonymous with the ACA.
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