- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Is affordable healthcare a human right?
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:48 pm
This seems to be the snappy liberal comeback when you tell them that the ACA sucked.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:50 pm to Errerrerrwere
You have a right to engage in trade and commerce with someone who offers healthcare.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to Errerrerrwere
how can someone ELSE'S service be a right?
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to Errerrerrwere
No.
If someone else has to provide it it is not a right.
If someone else has to provide it it is not a right.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:51 pm to Errerrerrwere
No. What else you wanna know?
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:53 pm to monsterballads
quote:
how can someone ELSE'S service be a right?
As a physician I agree. But what about public defenders? Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:53 pm to Errerrerrwere
You don't have the right to someone else's labor, and affordable is very relative. When healthcare costs little to nothing for the least wealthy, they have fewer incentives to lead a healthy lifestyle.
But hey, it's the government, they're capable of making anything a right, just don't be surprised when the quality of medical professionals drop over time.
But hey, it's the government, they're capable of making anything a right, just don't be surprised when the quality of medical professionals drop over time.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:55 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
quote:
Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.
They choose to enter the public sector and/or take jobs as a public defender, they're not forced to. It is also a Constitutionally afforded right.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:56 pm to Errerrerrwere
First....define affordable
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:57 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
quote:
But what about public defenders?
who forced them into becoming a public defender?
that's a CHOICE they made.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:01 pm to Errerrerrwere
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...The US is the wealthiest nation on Earth and governed by some of the most complete imbeciles ever created, it's unconscionable that this country cannot provide a modicum of healthcare to care for it's citizens from cradle to grave.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:03 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
quote:
But what about public defenders? Is that the one person's labor that you have a right to? Or should you not have a right to representation in a court of law? Serious question.
IMO only because our system of government grants people the right to fair trials and specifically states in the 6th Amendment the right to have the assistance of counsel. I think it could be argued that the right to counsel is not a natural right at all.
But since it is granted by our system of government, and since the legal system is complex enough that an undue burden would be placed on citizens if they were expected to all be experts enough in matters of law to aptly represent themselves, it is IMO appropriate for the legal system to provide counsel in order to comply with the 6th Amendment.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:05 pm to AUbagman
Is healthcare a right?
America decided this a while ago. Yes.
If you think otherwise, be cognizant of the consequences of that.
As of right now we have decided it is not morally or legally justified to deny emergency care if you can't show ability to pay.
To truly put teeth into people saying "NO" would require eliminating that guarantee.
That may mean many hospitals will do it out of the kindness of their heart, and that will drive up costs if people can't pay, like happens now, but it also can mean that if your Mother is walking her dog and gets hit by a drunk driver that runs off, and the ambulance can not verify insurance, they would technically be justified in leaving you for dead. If you show up with a gun wound to an ER, they can deny that person stabilizing treatment without adequate proof of insurance.
Cost is a different story. America's Frankenstein private/public system is already the most expensive in the world. By all evidence a true UHC would both increase access and drive down per person costs.
America decided this a while ago. Yes.
If you think otherwise, be cognizant of the consequences of that.
As of right now we have decided it is not morally or legally justified to deny emergency care if you can't show ability to pay.
To truly put teeth into people saying "NO" would require eliminating that guarantee.
That may mean many hospitals will do it out of the kindness of their heart, and that will drive up costs if people can't pay, like happens now, but it also can mean that if your Mother is walking her dog and gets hit by a drunk driver that runs off, and the ambulance can not verify insurance, they would technically be justified in leaving you for dead. If you show up with a gun wound to an ER, they can deny that person stabilizing treatment without adequate proof of insurance.
Cost is a different story. America's Frankenstein private/public system is already the most expensive in the world. By all evidence a true UHC would both increase access and drive down per person costs.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:05 pm to Errerrerrwere
No "right" to sick care services (current model for treating people when they are sick) as outlined by numerous posters preceding me
Everyone has the right to healthcare through wellness. This does not require services to be rendered.
It requires that individuals be educated on practical ways to do the following:
-eat (or not eat. Most adult American would benefit from intermittent fasting)
-exercise (minimal effective dose for each individual)
-sleep/rest
-manage stress/ their environment
It is not politically expedient to advise folks to eat less meals (anti-consumerism, "War on Hunger", etc) and focus on resting /restorative functions (anti-work/anti-capitalism).
Society places little value on the above, hence you get terms like "healthcare". The word itself is somewhat of a false premise.
Everyone has the right to healthcare through wellness. This does not require services to be rendered.
It requires that individuals be educated on practical ways to do the following:
-eat (or not eat. Most adult American would benefit from intermittent fasting)
-exercise (minimal effective dose for each individual)
-sleep/rest
-manage stress/ their environment
It is not politically expedient to advise folks to eat less meals (anti-consumerism, "War on Hunger", etc) and focus on resting /restorative functions (anti-work/anti-capitalism).
Society places little value on the above, hence you get terms like "healthcare". The word itself is somewhat of a false premise.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:08 pm to Errerrerrwere
Is healthcare run by the government?
Fortunately, it isn't and therefore the answer to your question is a resounding "frick no"
No American citizen has the RIGHT to walk into another citizens place of business and say "I am entitled to your product and at a price that I say is fair."
Fortunately, it isn't and therefore the answer to your question is a resounding "frick no"
No American citizen has the RIGHT to walk into another citizens place of business and say "I am entitled to your product and at a price that I say is fair."
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:11 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:
As of right now we have decided it is not morally or legally justified to deny emergency care if you can't show ability to pay.
I am assuming the OP was referring to routine healthcare, not emergency. I do not believe anyone is arguing against emergency health services.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
No but affordable auto insurance is
Posted on 1/29/17 at 8:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
Affordable healthcare is not synonymous with the ACA.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News