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re: I have zero respect for anyone who is a Muslim and doesn't stand up to this BS
Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:54 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:54 pm to ballscaster
quote:No, but it is every decent person's responsibility to root out evil to the largest extent they can. And the Muslim community has by far the largest capacity to root out this particular brand of evil. The fact that so few of them seem to be acting on that opportunity is troubling
Besides, it isn't an innocent person's job to prove to you that he's innocent because you choose to put him in a group with murderers.
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:54 pm to Malik Agar
Yeah that's not how it works. We have Muslims fighting ISIS in the Middle East. Islamic extremism is ghe problem
Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:55 pm to funnystuff
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The fact that so few of them seem to be acting on that opportunity is troubling
Muslims are the target of most terrorist attacks, especially from ISIS. Iran has fought ISIS from the beginning, yet we side with the KSA who spread the ideology in the first place.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:56 pm to LSU TIGERS 1234
ISIS is true Islam.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:00 pm to funnystuff
quote:You have no idea how many or how few Muslims speak out against violence. You only know what the media you consume tell you. In my life I've had several conversations about this type of stuff with Muslim friends of mine, and more often than not, they initiate the conversation because they know I'm a redneck, which is something that is subject to its own stereotype. Not a single time has the topic come up when a Muslim friend hasn't condemned this stuff outright.
The fact that so few of them seem to be acting on that opportunity is troubling
At any rate, there are no two people who are more different from each other than a murderer and a non-murderer, and it is absolutely ignorant to group the two together because you see the common thread of a religious background between them.
But then again, I'm only basing what I say on facts and personal experience. The cable news to which virtually this entire board is addicted clearly delivers a more trustworthy message.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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The asymmetry is the one advantage the Islamists have, as well as a disenfranchised underclass of Sunni Muslims who have believed in, and been failed by, ideologies like Arab nationalism, communism, socialism, Ba'athism, and others before.
It's funny how the politics are ignored on this POLITICAL message board.
You're analysis is sound here. Letting yourself become the agressor leads to them rallying around those people "protecting" them from the outsider.
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The attack on Islamists has to be multifaceted.
Multifaceted and precise.
I'm not terribly optimistic that will happen.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:05 pm to Duke
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Letting yourself become the agressor leads to them rallying around those people "protecting" them from the outsider.
We could have nipped this if we did the invasion of Iraq right. But it made things worse as it gave Iranians and Southern Iraqis access to one another, which inflamed the Gulf Arab countries, who are obsessed with preventing a "Shia corridor" from blocking their access to Turkey.
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I'm not terribly optimistic that will happen.
Neither am I. I think Islamism is here to stay. Luckily ideologies in the Islamic world change frequently, which is the only hope we have at this point.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:10 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
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I don't have sex with men.
bullshite
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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We could have nipped this if we did the invasion of Iraq right.
What would that have looked like?
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Luckily ideologies in the Islamic world change frequently, which is the only hope we have at this point.
It's a rapidly changing world too, but that's also part of the problem. Instability hasn't typically lead to movements of moderation.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:20 pm to Duke
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What would that have looked like?
Like the reconstruction of Japan. MacArthur was brutal towards opposition. The same should have happened here. The neoliberal "democracy" angle screwed things up, but Iraq would have been better off with a decade of iron-fisted American rule than five years of ham-fisted policy.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:26 pm to TheChiznit
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ISIS is true Islam.
You're lying to yourself so you can be freaked out. "The thing that Muslims say is Islam isn't Islam. The thing that I say is Islam is Islam." Derp
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:27 pm to LSU TIGERS 1234
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If I was a Muslim I would fight every day to show that isn't what we are. It's so ridiculous
And that is why you aren't a muslim.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:27 pm to ballscaster
It's disappointing that you have so severely misrepresented who I am with such zealous certainty
Your Muslims friends are but an extraordinarily small sample of the general Muslim population. And the fact that they are simply here in America means that they are sufficiently more privileged than the vast majority middle eastern Muslims. The cultural perspectives of most American Muslims differ vastly from those across the globe and there is absolutely no denying that an uncomfortably large portion of the global Muslim population is far to passive when it comes to these acts of terror. No, not all of them. But enough that it's worth acknowledging
Your Muslims friends are but an extraordinarily small sample of the general Muslim population. And the fact that they are simply here in America means that they are sufficiently more privileged than the vast majority middle eastern Muslims. The cultural perspectives of most American Muslims differ vastly from those across the globe and there is absolutely no denying that an uncomfortably large portion of the global Muslim population is far to passive when it comes to these acts of terror. No, not all of them. But enough that it's worth acknowledging
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:34 pm to funnystuff
And you make this assumption based on what?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:36 pm to funnystuff
quote:You're so close to getting it.
It's disappointing that you have so severely misrepresented who I am with such zealous certainty
quote:Identity politics.
No, not all of them. But enough that it's worth acknowledging
If you are given four men—a peaceful Christian, a violent Christian, a peaceful Muslim, and a violent Muslim—and you are to divide them into pairs, the most logical grouping would be 1&3 and 2&4, but this board gravitates toward the 1&2 and 3&4 grouping, and that is because they are falling victim to their own b_____y.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:43 pm to funnystuff
Islam is a gutter belief system that shouldn't get any more of a pass than if you meet someone who professed a firm belief that Mein Kampf was a road map for the future.
It only gets a pass because the word religion is attached to it.
But. The reality is, you really should react to a declaration of Muslim belief as roughly similar to a declaration of Nazi belief.
It only gets a pass because the word religion is attached to it.
But. The reality is, you really should react to a declaration of Muslim belief as roughly similar to a declaration of Nazi belief.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:46 pm to LSU TIGERS 1234
So what would you like your average every day Muslim living in the US to do about it? That's a genuine question.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:48 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Projecting. You yourself are more radicalized than the average Muslim is.
But. The reality is, you really should react to a declaration of Muslim belief as roughly similar to a declaration of Nazi belief.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:50 pm to ballscaster
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Projecting. You yourself are more radicalized than the average Muslim is.
ROFLMAO
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:52 pm to ShortyRob
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But. The reality is, you really should react to a declaration of Muslim belief as roughly similar to a declaration of Nazi belief.
No. I'd rather we do this with Islamists rather than Islam as a whole, because we can at least isolate the Islamists.
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