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Huge questions arise from today's testimony that may hurt the left and IC
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:48 pm
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I guess everything we want to be a massive issue has to end with the word "gate" on it. So now Russiagate!
Rather than going through a complete layout, let's just cut to the chase shall we:
And there is this issue. MButterfly stated today that there was enough rope given today that the noose was set.
Is that what we saw?
How can you know all of these things and how could Flynn's name been dropped unless he was unmasked in the intel sweep?
Let's continue:
I believe we have a major backlash coming when all of this comes out.
No real person could or would say there was no surveillance. If not... Comey should be fired.
There was. There can be no doubts at this time. That means FISA had to be given. That's the truth of the matter.
At what point does Trump come out and say:
"My fellow countrymen,
Tonight I am saddened to have to do this, but I have been left no choice. How did they get this information? Either legally, with a FISA that targeted me and my team, or illegally. Tonight I am coming to you with the FISA that was asked for.... etc etc"
I guess everything we want to be a massive issue has to end with the word "gate" on it. So now Russiagate!
Rather than going through a complete layout, let's just cut to the chase shall we:
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In Monday’s House Intelligence Committee hearings, James Comey did confirm that his FBI has found nothing to support President Trump’s tweet that President Obama ordered him wiretapped.
So where do we stand after yesterday’s hearing and eight-month FBI investigation? The Russians did hack Podesta’s email account and the DNC, and while the FBI has found no evidence of Trump campaign collusion with the Russians, it is still looking.
However, the known unknowns seem more significant. How could DNI Director Clapper and CIA Director Morell say that no connection had been established between Trump’s campaign and the Russians, without there having been an investigation? And how could such an investigation be conclusive in exonerating Trump’s associates – without some use of electronic surveillance?
And there is this issue. MButterfly stated today that there was enough rope given today that the noose was set.
Is that what we saw?
How can you know all of these things and how could Flynn's name been dropped unless he was unmasked in the intel sweep?
Let's continue:
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Comey would not commit to investigate these leaks, though this could involve criminal misconduct within his own FBI.
Again, the only known crimes committed by Americans during and after the campaign are the leaks of security secrets by agents of the intel community, colluding with the Fourth Estate, which uses the First Amendment to provide cover for criminal sources, whom they hail as “whistleblowers.”
Indeed, if there was no surveillance of Trump of any kind, where did all these stories come from, which their reporters attributed to “intelligence sources”?
I believe we have a major backlash coming when all of this comes out.
No real person could or would say there was no surveillance. If not... Comey should be fired.
There was. There can be no doubts at this time. That means FISA had to be given. That's the truth of the matter.
At what point does Trump come out and say:
"My fellow countrymen,
Tonight I am saddened to have to do this, but I have been left no choice. How did they get this information? Either legally, with a FISA that targeted me and my team, or illegally. Tonight I am coming to you with the FISA that was asked for.... etc etc"
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:50 pm to Jjdoc
quote:
At what point does Trump come out and say:
"My fellow countrymen,
Tonight I am saddened to have to do this, but I have been left no choice. How did they get this information? Either legally, with a FISA that targeted me and my team, or illegally. Tonight I am coming to you with the FISA that was asked for.... etc etc"
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:52 pm to Jjdoc
quote:Huh? There was an investigation; that was a purpose of the hearing. Do they think they called the hearing to exchange pleasantries?
How could DNI Director Clapper and CIA Director Morell say that no connection had been established between Trump’s campaign and the Russians, without there having been an investigation
quote:Again. We know that communications between those associates were intercepted.
And how could such an investigation be conclusive in exonerating Trump’s associates – without some use of electronic surveillance?
Why do they keep asking questions, that we know the answer to, and pretending they are some unique gotcha questions instead?
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:54 pm to JuiceTerry
You can laugh, but you can not come up with a any other explanation on how they reached their conclusions without one!
Just try to find an answer. Run over to the DU and see if they can give you a valid answer and bring it back here
Just try to find an answer. Run over to the DU and see if they can give you a valid answer and bring it back here
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:54 pm to Jjdoc
you are more worried about what people did to defend the USA against Russian influence than the fact that Trump was colluding with a foreign power.
you are summarized in todays questions. The GOP wanted to know about surveillance. The Dems want to know what Trump did to bring about the Russian manipulation of the election.
you are summarized in todays questions. The GOP wanted to know about surveillance. The Dems want to know what Trump did to bring about the Russian manipulation of the election.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:57 pm to buckeye_vol
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How could DNI Director Clapper and CIA Director Morell say that no connection had been established between Trump’s campaign and the Russians, without there having been an investigation
Huh? There was an investigation; that was a purpose of the hearing. Do they think they called the hearing to exchange pleasantries?
Not sure of the point you are making. Again, yes... we all agree there was an investigation, now move past that to the appropriate questions.
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And how could such an investigation be conclusive in exonerating Trump’s associates – without some use of electronic surveillance?
Again. We know that communications between those associates were intercepted.
I believe you are not following the point here.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:05 am to CelticDog
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you are more worried about what people did to defend the USA against Russian influence
They did nothing to defend the US from the Russians trying to influence anything.
What they did was start an investigation. To gather the information they have.... surveillance had to be used. That means FISA.
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n the fact that Trump was colluding with a foreign power.
There is no FACT of that. That's simply your up most desire.
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The GOP wanted to know about surveillance. The Dems want to know what Trump did to bring about the Russian manipulation of the election.
No... The Dems want there to be collusion, which is exactly what you just stated as fact even though there is no such thing.
You also are showing typical leftist tactic of the end justifies the means. Laws were broken with the FISA. There had to be laws broken because names of AMERICANS were unmasked.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:06 am to Jjdoc
quote:So why ask a question as if it's important, when the answer that is know, is the very reason we have questions in the first place?
Not sure of the point you are making. Again, yes... we all agree there was an investigation, now move past that to the appropriate questions.
quote:No I get it. It's doing the same thing. "We know the answer, but if we ask it again, it may seem like there is more to it."
I believe you are not following the point here.
It's trying to use some existential inquiry crap and hoping that the reader eventually comes to a deeper (i.e., different) conclusion.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:12 am to Jjdoc
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the end justifies the means.
1. of course it does. The Pope himself justifies our wars for us. Else its required that the Pope tell the Catholics its not a just war of defense and not to participate at all.
People voted for this monster Trump because they didn't want Clinton. That's an example of ends justifying means.
2. I didn't say Trump colluded. you misread my post.
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FBI says it is looking into whether any of Trumps staff was colluding with Russia during the campaign. The Dems are gleeful and keeping the question before us.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:13 am to buckeye_vol
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No I get it. It's doing the same thing. "We know the answer, but if we ask it again, it may seem like there is more to it."
How am I asking the same questions? I don't recall that being asked today during the hearing.
Admitted, I did not watch it all.
The point I am making is a simple one. I 100% believe Trump knew the answer to the question "Was I wire tapped" before he tweeted. I think he will drop it at some point, for better or worse to all involved.
If you and I know.... Why would anybody think that the President did not/does not know?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:16 am to CelticDog
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1. of course it does. The Pope himself justifies our wars for us. Else its required that the Pope tell the Catholics its not a just war of defense and not to participate at all.
People voted for this monster Trump because they didn't want Clinton. That's an example of ends justifying means.
I see... so break the laws of this country because you don't like him.
This is why your party is at it's lowest level since the 1920s.
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2. I didn't say Trump colluded. you misread my post.
Yes you did... here is your quote:
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you are more worried about what people did to defend the USA against Russian influence than the fact that Trump was colluding with a foreign power.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:17 am to Jjdoc
quote:And if you paid attention you would know that the investigation is ongoing. Jesus Christ
we all agree there was an investigation, now move past that to the appropriate questions.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:18 am to JuiceTerry
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And if you paid attention you would know that the investigation is ongoin
What does that have to do with anything in this thread or the topic?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:19 am to Jjdoc
quote:You started a dozen threads before 2 pm and had hundreds of posts. Are you just some paid poster? You are really on an island here.
Admitted, I did not watch it all.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:20 am to Jjdoc
quote:And that is your (and many others') fundamental problem. The day you realize that he's the pigeon and not Gary Kaspyrov is the day you'll see the light.
100% believe Trump knew the answer to the question "Was I wire tapped" before he tweeted.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:22 am to Jjdoc
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I 100% believe Trump knew the answer to the question "Was I wire tapped" before he tweeted.
I do too, he knew it was bullshite....
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:23 am to mmcgrath
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You started a dozen threads before 2 pm
No.. I started 5.
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Are you just some paid poster?
LOL! No.
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You are really on an island here.
I do go to several islands throughout the year. Not currently though.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:25 am to mmcgrath
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? You are really on an island here.
No he's not. Trying to use shame or difference to shut him up. Left pathetic tactic
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 12:26 am
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:25 am to JuiceTerry
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And that is your (and many others') fundamental problem.
Can you not make a legitimate argument? I don't think you can.
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The day you realize that he's the pigeon and not Gary Kaspyrov is the day you'll see the light.
You might as well move on.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:26 am to ForeLSU
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I 100% believe Trump knew the answer to the question "Was I wire tapped" before he tweeted.
I do too, he knew it was bull shite....
So you are of the mindset that the investigation had no surveillance?
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