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re: How did Trump handle the protest thing poorly?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:03 am to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:03 am to LSU alum wannabe
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"When do we start tearing down Washingtons statues?" Was his dumb comment.
See, I disagree with that. I think it's a statement that is open for debate, but I think it's hardly "dumb."
His argument is that all of our historical figues are fallible, and we are beginning to go down a slippery slope if we are going to start tearing down any reference to historical figures we think weren't 100% morally correct.
You could extend the logic to Andrew Jackson for his treatment of Native Americans. You could also extend it to Washington and a handful of other slave owning presidents.
One could contend that none of them rebelled against the US, but let's not kid ourselves. No one arguing for removal gives a shite about any of that. Hell, there are statues for John Brown, the Whiskey Rebellion, etc.
I think there is a moral ambiguity inherent in Lee's decision to lead the Army of Northern Virginia. In essence, he fought for his state, which was commensurate with the societal makeup of America at the time. Following the war, we came together, and there was still a notion of mutual respect for the gallantry of those who took up arms on both sides.
This same concept is manifested in the fact that there are a multitude of state confederate memorials at Gettysburg. Unfortunately, there is a nuance to this topic that eludes narrow-minded liberals.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 9:07 am
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:12 am to Lou Pai
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See, I disagree with that. I think it's a statement that is open for debate, but I think it's hardly "dumb."
His argument is that all of our historical figues are fallible, and we are beginning to go down a slippery slope if we are going to start tearing down any reference to historical figures we think weren't 100% morally correct.
I agree with you. He could have said something like what we both wrote. He just is incapable. He can not sell any message. He will always step on his pud.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:15 am to Lou Pai
Certain brands of violence and hate are better than others. Only a Nazi would disagree.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:19 am to Lou Pai
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See, I disagree with that. I think it's a statement that is open for debate, but I think it's hardly "dumb."
His argument is that all of our historical figues are fallible
in a purely sterile political environment, it's a worthy debate
yesterday, and after calling out the Alt-Left, which follows calling out the Alt-Right, which follows riots and one murder in VA....not the time to have that discussion. THAT is why it was stupid. it just devalued any message about the alt-Left by giving "low hanging fruit" for media/left criticism
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:23 am to Lou Pai
He could have avoided using any kind of good adjectives to describe the people there Friday night with torches.
Very fine people was his biggest mistake. Even if there actually were people there who were quietly protesting the removal Friday night, why make an openly hostile Medias job easier. They will absolutely take what you said, pick what they want it to mean regardless of what you meant, and run it into the ground 24/7. It wasn't smart.
Very fine people was his biggest mistake. Even if there actually were people there who were quietly protesting the removal Friday night, why make an openly hostile Medias job easier. They will absolutely take what you said, pick what they want it to mean regardless of what you meant, and run it into the ground 24/7. It wasn't smart.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:43 am to Patton
Both you and SFP seem to be alluding to the context of the media being vehemently against Trump. I personally don't care about that part, the media is absolutely biased against him no matter what. I am more interested in the substance of what he said. I didn't really look too much into the Charlottesville story, so I'm not sure if it virtually all Neo Nazi freaks or if there were some more normal people there as well.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:47 am to Lou Pai
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so I'm not sure if it virtually all Neo Nazi freaks or if there were some more normal people there as well.
probably 200-300 Nazis
probably 200-500 ANTIFA-types who were ready to use violence (this includes lots of BLM organizations)
and thousands of non-violent liberals
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:50 am to Lou Pai
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I have read a couple of snippets of people being angry because he called out "all sides"... what is inappropriate about that?
Lets play a game of "What if Obama had said that"? What would do you think would happen on this board? They would have torn Obama apart for the hypocrisy. Trump was also asked after that speech on 2 separate occasions if he would denounce white supremacists, which he refused to answer.
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