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re: How did healthcare get so messed up? A history lesson.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:31 pm to HailFreezusOver
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:31 pm to HailFreezusOver
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In layman s terms can you explain m-tor?
Overview/themes:
-The history of the human condition is characterized by famine /feast (not chronic feed or feast (which is the current "dilemma" we are in)
-The human body does not appear to like anything chronic (cyclical exposures tend to be preferred). This is exemplified by the yin/yang below. One can take advantage of this phenomenon by eating in a manner to spike the IGF 1/mTor system when needed (high protein/carbs in the post workout setting)
-The role of IGF1 and mTor vary depending on wether you are:
1. In a pro-growth phase of life - example include growing children, a pregnant woman, an elite athelete /soldier
2. In a non growth phase - most adult humans....
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At the center of the building and repair systems is a protein complex known as mTOR. The technical name for mTOR is the mechanistic target of rapamycin (formerly known as the mammalian target of rapamycin). mTOR functions as a molecular switch between building and repair. Turning mTOR on promotes building. Turning mTOR off promotes repair.
BUILDING Building—the mTOR switch is on Building—the mTOR switch is on Building (growth) is an anabolic process that happens when mTOR is turned on. Stimuli such as resistance training and eating protein (especially the branched-chain amino acid leucine) turn the mTOR switch on. The hormone insulin also turns on the mTOR building pathway. This effect of insulin should come as no surprise to readers of Strong Medicine (SM pages 107-108) as we discussed insulin as a hormone of growth and storage.
As Dan Cenidoza covered in his Strength after Sixty post, the anabolic pathways of building are crucial to grow and maintain muscle mass especially as we age. Not enough of “turning on” the mTOR switch can lead to sarcopenia and frailty in old age.
At the extreme end of the mTOR building pathway is cancer. By the simplest definition, cancer is uncontrolled cell growth. Recent science has shown that many cancer cells have abnormally high mTOR signaling, putting them is a perpetual state of growth. People with insulin resistance (SM p. 180) have higher levels of insulin in their bloodstream at all times which keeps the mTOR switch activated. Thus, it is no surprise that those with insulin resistance/diabetes are known to have increase risk of cancer.
We also now know that high levels of sustained mTOR activation can lead to accelerating aging in many species, including humans. With this information in mind, it becomes evident that getting the proper “dose” of mTOR activation is key.
Most current chronic medical issues stem from the concept above...
I will post how this relates to politics/eating recommendation in a later post...
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 8:45 pm
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:33 pm to stuntman
LMAO, I love how people blame FDR. Not the congress after his presidency that chose to abuse certain systems. FDR saved this country you dumbshits. Go take a history class ffs
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:31 pm to RBu
FDR was a fricking disaster for our economy and society. We are STILL dealing w ill effects from his time in office.
YOU need to pick up a history book.
YOU need to pick up a history book.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:10 pm to Greatest Success
quote:no one lives for ever. If you want medical treatment to extend your life, prepare yourself
healthcare isn't a right, overturn the EMTALA, and take us back to people dying on the curb outside of hospitals across the country.
If you don't prepare, accept the fact that you may well die a preventable death.
If you want to deliver your baby in a hospital, make those preparations prior to getting knocked up, or pay the cash price. Or get you a midwife and try to pop it out at home.
This shot isn't hard. Do that or socialize medicine
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:27 pm to Greatest Success
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COBRA (Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act), well part of that was the EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act)
Wrong.
The federal government threatened to withhold Medicare and Medicaid money from hospitals that didn't play ball.
Therefore, Medicare/Medicaid started it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:32 pm to tigerfoot
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no one lives for ever. If you want medical treatment to extend your life, prepare yourself
If you don't prepare, accept the fact that you may well die a preventable death.
If you want to deliver your baby in a hospital, make those preparations prior to getting knocked up, or pay the cash price. Or get you a midwife and try to pop it out at home.
This shot isn't hard. Do that or socialize medicine
.....and don't get T-boned at the intersection by Senator Etouffe who didn't see you because he was getting a slob job from his side piece.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:34 pm to Greatest Success
quote:You're an idiot
Back in the day, it was common for sick (and pregnant) people to be turned away from hospitals and emergency rooms if they couldn't produce proof of insurance. People who could have been saved were dying out on the curb instead of being treated. This may be news to you if you are young, but this used to happen a lot.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:37 pm to Greatest Success
The real problem started around the early 80's when 'global competition' started causing corporations to maximize their shareholder values and trying to squeeze every last bit of profit out of their businesses.
It shouldn't be any surprise to anyone that healthcare costs have been skyrocketing since then.....that is what our healthcare system should be expected to do when every step and layer in this for-profit system takes their ever increasing chunk of profit and puts the increased costs into the system and onto the user (the sick).
This is not difficult to comprehend.
It shouldn't be any surprise to anyone that healthcare costs have been skyrocketing since then.....that is what our healthcare system should be expected to do when every step and layer in this for-profit system takes their ever increasing chunk of profit and puts the increased costs into the system and onto the user (the sick).
This is not difficult to comprehend.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:13 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Thanks for compiling those images and text.
Really appreciate it.
Really appreciate it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:22 pm to cwill
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How did healthcare get so messed up?
Insurance.
That includes government insurance.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:27 pm to Loserman
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rue answer is Government intervention in the free market caused the problem
Health care costs track inflation forever until the government started meddling in it.
:boom:
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:29 pm to Flame Salamander
Ohhh. You mean the Senator that must pay your medical bills? You can get hit by him.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:35 pm to Greatest Success
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:36 pm to Gaspergou202
i see ER records all the time with people coming in for contraception, scd's, acne, simple tummy aches. they dont pay so we have to pay. if the ER turns them away they get sued. the system is bass-akwards. if everybody had to really pay and join the pool prices would go down. if only the ill are in the pool premiums gonna skyrocket like now with milennials not participating. country is aging. more sick people sucking the system. we need to help the unfortunate but not allow abuse. the government bureaucrats arent making it more efficient. quite a conundrum!
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:50 am to HailFreezusOver
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Hail
Forgot to mention
mTOR = formerly known as the mammalian target of rapamycin
The name and medicine are derived from where it came from:
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It’s 1964, and a group of Canadian scientists had sailed across the Pacific to Easter Island in order to study the health of the isolated local population. Working below the gaze of the island’s famous statues, they collected a variety of soil samples and other biological material, unaware that one of these would yield an unexpected treasure. It contained a bacterium that secreted a new antibiotic, one that proved to be a potent anti-fungal chemical. The compound was named rapamycin after the traditional name of its island source – Rapa Nui.
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Skip forward 35 years and rapamycin has made a stunning journey from the soil of a Pacific island to the besides of the world’s hospitals. Its ability to suppress the immune system means that it’s given to transplant patients to stop them from rejecting their organs and its ability to stop cells from dividing has formed the basis of potential anti-cancer drugs. But the chemical has an even more interesting ability and one that has only just been discovered – it can extend lifespan, at least in mice.
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Rapamycin – the Easter Island drug that extends lifespan of old mice
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:57 am to ThinePreparedAni
more than manna growing on that island.
so it was just found in soil in that one place. and they happen to make huge stone statues that probably took long time to make.
were these people living longer and gaining special skills or were they shown/given rapamycin and due to its miraculous effects built statues to honor these people?
so it was just found in soil in that one place. and they happen to make huge stone statues that probably took long time to make.
were these people living longer and gaining special skills or were they shown/given rapamycin and due to its miraculous effects built statues to honor these people?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:17 am to Greatest Success
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Back in the day, it was common for sick (and pregnant) people to be turned away from hospitals and emergency rooms if they couldn't produce proof of insurance. People who could have been saved were dying out on the curb instead of being treated. This may be news to you if you are young, but this used to happen a lot.
Poppycock, pure poppycock! I can tell you when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's my mother was a nurse and she told me why prices for were so high for medical care, it was because the hospitals turned no one away for basic health care. Now if you were poor and needed a heart transplant you may die but not on the streets.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:55 am to Flame Salamander
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Our current healthcare is based on a for profit system. For profit will do what for profit does....make profit....profit for the providers to the detriment of the users. The system must take the profit motive maximization at each step out of the equation for a truely equalized result.
The skyrocketing costs of healthcare have been in the news since at least the 80's. No one has been able to do anything to check the cost growth. No one. It should be obvious to even a 4th grader that after 40+ years of study that our healthcare system is essentially a zero sum, adabiatic state controlled system and must be viewed as such.
End the for profit motive system and you will end the skyrocketing costs.
Is my sarcasm meter broken? You can't be serious. Just remove the "profit motive"!
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:06 pm to roadGator
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Most of those that use an ER for the common cold don't give two shits about themselves
Why aren't these people turned away immediately? They should receive a fine for going to the ER for colds and toothaches.
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