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re: How are you remembering Union Soldiers that died in the Civil War
Posted on 5/28/17 at 6:17 am to AU86
Posted on 5/28/17 at 6:17 am to AU86
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My ancestors fought for the Confederacy and I respect their sacrifice and service.
You neo-rebs need to consider what this country would have been like had no war broken out in 1860. Would we still have slavery? By 1861 Slavery had been abolished in the British Empire for 30 years. The Czar freed the serfs in 1861. That put us behind Imperial Russia in the realm of human rights. Can you imagine that?
Lincoln said in his inaugural address he was okay with state institutions being shielded from national laws by a constitutional amendment. What else could he do?
Had all the secession crap blown over in 1860-61, Lincoln couldn't and wouldn't have done anything. He would be another minor president like Buchanan and Pierce. The South would have continued to have a stranglehold on national affairs.
I have said the secesh were not very good at military ops. They were even worse at political ops.
All they had to do was retain their votes in the House and Senate. When the Southern reps said a big "frick you," to Washington, they gave the game away.
Your heroes were idiots - not as much sense as little children.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 6:19 am
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Posted on 5/28/17 at 6:21 am to SiloamHog
There was plenty of dying to go around on both sides.
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More Americans were killed in two days at the Battle of Shiloh than in all previous American wars combined. The Battle of Antietam was only one day long but left 12,401 Union soldiers killed, missing, or wounded — which is higher than typical estimates of Allied casualties on D-Day. With 23,000 casualties overall, it was the bloodiest single day of the Civil War. At Cold Harbor, Virginia, 7,000 men fell in just 20 minutes.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 6:29 am to chickenpotpie
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They fought to preserve the best government ever devised, the one that said citizens have the right to self-governance.
Down to their back yards, right? If they don't like a city ordinance, they can just secede from the city, right?
That is where your 'self-governance' thing goes.
"And this issue [the dissolution of the Union] embraces more than the fate of these United States. It presents to the whole family of man the question whether a constitutional republic or democracy--a government of the people, by the same people--can, or cannot, maintain its territorial integrity against its own domestic foes. It presents the question whether discontented individuals, too few in numbers to control administration according to organic law, in any case, can always . . . break up their Government, and thus practically put an end to free government upon the earth. It forces us to ask: "Is there, in all republics, this inherent, and fatal weakness?'' "Must a government, of necessity, be too strong for the liberties of its own people, or too weak to maintain its own existence?''
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The reason the CSA has no appeal for me is because many loyal men came forward to fight for what Lincoln said - to preserve the best government yet devised.
And that is why CSA soldiers are not and can not ever be considered as heroes or honorable in any way. They fired on those men serving under the Stars and Stripes.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 6:31 am
Posted on 5/28/17 at 7:02 am to WhiskeyPapa
I don't understand how a person can be as close minded as you are on this topic. You have been on a consistent rant for three or four days across multiple threads pontificating about how CSA soldiers could never be honored "in any way". Frankly you just sound like a drama queen.
Once again, this argument is meaningless and I have no dog in it, but how does it effect you at all if other chose to honor their own ancestors?
Once again, this argument is meaningless and I have no dog in it, but how does it effect you at all if other chose to honor their own ancestors?
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 7:05 am
Posted on 5/28/17 at 7:08 am to WhiskeyPapa
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They fired on those men serving under the Stars and Stripes.
No, those under the Stars and Stripes invaded the South.
The North were the aggressors on the people of the South.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 7:21 am to SavageOrangeJug
Screw the yanks! 
Posted on 5/28/17 at 7:25 am to SiloamHog
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From Plymouth Rock until 2017.
Jamestowne???
Posted on 5/28/17 at 8:55 am to tigerdude12
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The south was not an enemy of the north. Just wanted a little independence, that's all. Just wanted to be left alone...
Let me finish that statement for you:
to subjugate and enslave a portion of humanity.
You guys can't really believe there was anything noble in the maintenance of slavery for one second beyond when it ended. It doesn't matter how many good people lived in the South and had no connection to slavery, that those with the power to draw so many into the war could not let go of the institution because of their own economic interests makes every single person who decided for the South to fight a wretched villain of the most terrible sort: a person hellbent on enslaving Africans, and willing to pay the price of countless people they didn't know to advance their own monetary interests.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 9:07 am to SiloamHog
My little twin has a Memorial Day flag display where the Us flag, the state flag, flags honoring the 5 branches of the service, a Mexican flag.....and a confederate flag! There was almost nothing in New Mexico during the civil war that was related to the war although many Southerners wound up here afterwards.
I asked some folks about the Confederate flag and I was told that it was there because the dead were Americans. I asked why there wasn't also an IS flag there because Americans had died at the hands of Americans while they were fighting fo the IS....suddenly the conversation turned to one of e weather.....
I asked some folks about the Confederate flag and I was told that it was there because the dead were Americans. I asked why there wasn't also an IS flag there because Americans had died at the hands of Americans while they were fighting fo the IS....suddenly the conversation turned to one of e weather.....
Posted on 5/28/17 at 9:08 am to SiloamHog
8 pages on an obvious poliboard troll. It's that easy. 
Posted on 5/28/17 at 9:16 am to SiloamHog
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How are you remembering Union Soldiers that died in the Civil War
Anyone else thankful the stars and bars won that war? I would like to say thank you and memorialize all the Union lives lost in that conflict. Thank God the good guys won! I can't rightfully in my mind root against the USA. Glad we beat the CSA. Murica!
Edit: Stars and Stripes
The funny thing is, the Union soldiers had a great deal more respect for their Confederate opponents than the leftist simpletons that demonize them today to suit their narrative. Both sides came together after the war and the country functioned well after a devastating war with itself. I have tremendous respect for all who died fighting in that war. Unlike many today who see it necessary to denigrate the Confederates who gave their lives.
Whereas today many wish to remove tributes to Confederate icons like Lee and smear his honor and integrity, men in their own time who stood opposite him on the battlefield viewed him very differently. That in itself is quite telling.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:19 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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I don't understand how a person can be as close minded as you are on this topic. You have been on a consistent rant for three or four days across multiple threads pontificating about how CSA soldiers could never be honored "in any way". Frankly you just sound like a drama queen.
Over 20 years ago I was innocently enough on alt.civilwar or some such and some neo reb creep said - just like on this board that the states could withdraw at will or pleasure from the federal government.
"Well, that is not right," I said. "The Preamble to the Constitution says one purpose of ordaining the Constitution is to form a 'More Perfect Union.'"
Right away this neo reb came back: "That is not what it says at all!"
My reaction: WTF?
But it does say that -- no state can legally get out of the Union without the agreement of the other states.
And so far, no state has been able to fight its way out.
I get tired of their idiot nonsense.
Any board you post on has lurkers. People who read but seldom or maybe never comment.
When this neo reb nonsense is put forth it needs to countered. It need to be countered especially to honor Americans who died fighting for Old Glory and the nation the founders bequeathed to us.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:25 am to ChewyDante
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The funny thing is, the Union soldiers had a great deal more respect for their Confederate opponents than the leftist simpletons that demonize them today to suit their narrative.
The problem is not so much with the CSA veterans. The bigggest problem is with the neo rebs who say:
1. The war was not caused by slavery
2. The federal government was an oppressive tyrant, and Lincoln was.
3. The states could unilaterally withdraw from the Union and to Hell what anybody else thought.
4. The rebels fought bravely in the last ditch down to the last round.
5. The Government put oppressive "export taxes" on cotton - yes that was just on here recently.
Of course the Constitution explicitly prohibits taxes on the exports of any state.
So these fricking lies need to be countered.
Should the poor whites have known better than to rally to the cause of the Slave Power, when they had no direct stake in the causes of the war? Maybe not. Probably not.
1. Yes the root cause of the war was slavery.
2. The federal government had almost no impact on the day to day lives of Americans before the war.
3. All the states agreed to a perpetual union in the "Articles of Confederation And Perpetual Union" in 1779.
4. The rebel armies melted away and went home. Southern leadership both civilian and military was very much lacking.
5. The government doesn't tax exports. Geez.
Wow this one says 1778. The perpetual union of these states began with the adoption of the Articles of Confederation.
We now honor the Union men who wouldn't let that idea fail.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:25 am to WhiskeyPapa
You are nothing but a damn idiot. How old are you? You are the biggest fricking loser on this board. Do no respond to me again you fricking piece of shite.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:47 am to ChewyDante
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Whereas today many wish to remove tributes to Confederate icons like Lee and smear his honor and integrity, men in their own time who stood opposite him on the battlefield viewed him very differently. That in itself is quite telling.
The Brits lauded Rommel in their day. The Desert Fox!
Because he kept kicking their arse all the time. Lee looked pretty good up against Pope, McClellan, Burnside and Hooker.
Against Grant, not so much.
Lee's accomplishments are always considered in a vacuum. Yes he forced McClellan away from Richmond in the Seven Days Battles. Yes, he flanked Pope at Second Manassas. Burnside appeared to be insane at Fredericksburg. Yes, he broke Hooker's will at Chancellorsville.
What did all that accomplish? Nothing. See how that works?
He had wrecked his army for offensive operations by 7/4/63. How fitting. It was just a matter of time until he and the ANV were crushed by the Union Army.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:56 am to CollegeFBRules
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You guys can't really believe there was anything noble in the maintenance of slavery for one second beyond when it ended. It doesn't matter how many good people lived in the South and had no connection to slavery, that those with the power to draw so many into the war could not let go of the institution because of their own economic interests makes every single person who decided for the South to fight a wretched villain of the most terrible sort: a person hellbent on enslaving Africans, and willing to pay the price of countless people they didn't know to advance their own monetary interests.
I think most would agree that slavery is the worst chapter of our country. However, our government didn't need the South to attack Fort Sumter for a reason to end slavery. It could have ended many, many years earlier if the government had wanted it to. Lincoln wanted to free the slaves hoping the freed slaves would flee to the north and join the war effort....which is what many needed. I have already posted where he revoked freedom of some slaves freed by a Northern General so he would not face mass desertions by the Northern soldiers.
Was the South a great and noble place considering slavery? no. But lets not pain the north and a bunch of generous soldiers fighting for the freedom of slaves. There were many issues the war was fought over. Slavery, certainly was one of them....but we were in the war for over a year before the Emancipation proclamation was drafted and signed. If the main cause was slavery, whey did they wait so long?
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:58 am to WhiskeyPapa
[quote]Against Grant, not so much./quote]
He looked fine against Grant, all things considered. The North had the south badly outnumbered in almost every battle and had massive advantages in resources and industry. The fact that the South lasted as long as it did was a minor miracle.
He looked fine against Grant, all things considered. The North had the south badly outnumbered in almost every battle and had massive advantages in resources and industry. The fact that the South lasted as long as it did was a minor miracle.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 1:22 pm to WhiskeyPapa
That's immaterial as I wasn't referencing respect for his military feats but for his character, honor, and integrity.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 1:35 pm to SiloamHog
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Wow, I can't believe people are petty enough to downvote American lives lost during the great war. Whatever side you think you're on now, no point in disrespecting lives lost on either side. American soldiers gave there all for this great country we live in. Just glad the blue jackets won.
I can't believe you're petty enough to throw out a troll like this on Memorial Day weekend. All that died were Americans.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 1:39 pm to SiloamHog
frick all yankee scum.
We placed Confederate flags on all of our Civil War veteran graves this morning before church, as we do every memorial day.
We placed US flags on the graves of other KIA war graves as always ... and, as always, there are more Confederate flags than U.S. flags ... my church (Lutheran) was founded in 1850 so things were fairly volatile? at the time for a lot of reasons, and we had 154 from our church alone KIA in the war of yankee agression, only 71 of the bodies made it home.
Sherman's yankee murdering incestuous bastard fricks burned down our original building in 1865 and desecrated? many of the existing graves and stones at the time.
Our Cedar Grove boys helped kill a crap ton of yankee scum though, 2:1 ratio at least.
We placed Confederate flags on all of our Civil War veteran graves this morning before church, as we do every memorial day.
We placed US flags on the graves of other KIA war graves as always ... and, as always, there are more Confederate flags than U.S. flags ... my church (Lutheran) was founded in 1850 so things were fairly volatile? at the time for a lot of reasons, and we had 154 from our church alone KIA in the war of yankee agression, only 71 of the bodies made it home.
Sherman's yankee murdering incestuous bastard fricks burned down our original building in 1865 and desecrated? many of the existing graves and stones at the time.
Our Cedar Grove boys helped kill a crap ton of yankee scum though, 2:1 ratio at least.
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