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re: House of Representatives votes 232-184 to do away with Broadband Privacy
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:54 pm to Iosh
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:54 pm to Iosh
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Flake's op-ed explicitly says it doesn't.
Sorry, misread it. Still, the resolution is basically telling the FCC to use the FTC's framework, or keep getting your stupid arse rules thrown out.
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:54 pm to SportTiger1
Serious question... What's to keep our govt from just buying the data it wants rather than getting a warrant?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:55 pm to RobbBobb
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So you think
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4GPlusNet Services
Armstrong Zoom
B2X Online - VA
Bright House Networks
Optimu
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Can compete with Google or Facebook?
No, but why should they? They offer completely different products.
And allowing ISPs to sell user data does NOTHING to help small ISPs compete, anyway.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:Absolutely nothing, since apparently the Repubs think privacy is pointless.
Serious question... What's to keep our govt from just buying the data it wants rather than getting a warrant?
If they want to shake off the "fascism" meme, they certainly aren't going about it the right way.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:00 pm to Korkstand
quote:So our country was fascist before 2015?
If they want to shake off the "fascism" meme, they certainly aren't going about it the right way.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:04 pm to Bench McElroy
Russia and North Korea love this bill
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:06 pm to RobbBobb
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From what I gather this was a slap at big tech that supported the DIMS (especially Hilldawg) The big tech guys already do this within their own platforms, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Microsoft. This allows the smaller guys to compete
You are a really shitty gatherer.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:07 pm to Seldom Seen
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Not agreeing with the vote but people are naive if they ever thought they had privacy online in the first place.
They had choice. Don't want Google selling your info? Use duckduckgo. Now, your just screwed out of privacy. Anyone who thinks this vote was good, is a cuck.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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So our country was fascist before 2015?
I'd argue we started on the path around 2002, with a solid foundation set in the 80s with the WOD.
Asset forfeiture, stingrays (or IMSI catchers- you should really google that if you don't know what it is), no knock raids, rising incarceration, lowering legal standards for crimes, cracking down on political dissent...
That sounds nothing like freedom and a lot like fascism.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:08 pm to Bench McElroy
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Republicans- 231 yeas,
frick Republicans and frick our entire federal government system. Every single person in it.
What a horribly stupid idea. Let's dismantle internet privacy in the name of marketing. Let's dismantle net neutrality while we're at it.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:09 pm to Korkstand
quote:nobody can be so stupid
I don't know why every other move the Repubs make isn't BS to you.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:09 pm to RobbBobb
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From what I gather this was a slap at big tech that supported the DIMS (especially Hilldawg)
The big tech guys already do this within their own platforms, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Microsoft. This allows the smaller guys to compete
I'd laugh if this wasn't so pathetic
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:10 pm to Centinel
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But everyone keep hyperventilating about how ISP's are completely unregulated now
I know right? Why get a warrant when you can just buy the data from the ISP.
What could go wrong?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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HailHailtoMichigan!
I know you think you're on the right side of this, but you're not. Do you really not see the problem with this?
quote:If someone has to LOOK AT and DECIDE how sensitive the data is (that's what "evidence-based" means, doesn't it?), then none of your data is private.
The agency’s evidence-based approach calibrates privacy and data-security requirements to the sensitivity of information collected, used or shared online, and applies protections in a consistent and evenhanded way across business sectors.
The "it's worked so far" logic doesn't apply, because it's only relatively recently that technology has allowed the collection (and importantly, analysis) of mass quantities of data feasible. Times change, and the rules/laws need to keep up.
quote:As it should be. Surely you can see that there is a really fuzzy line between "personal health" data, and online searches for health-related issues, right? Why should they be treated differently?
The FCC rules subject all web browsing and app usage data to the same restrictive requirements as sensitive personal information. That means that information generated from looking up the latest Cardinals score or checking the weather in Scottsdale is treated the same as personal health and financial data.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
We desperately need to change the workings of our governmental system.
It starts with NASCAR style logo jackets. Even politician should be forced to wear a logo for every lobby firm they've accepted any kind of money from.
At this point why don't we just elect the fricking lobbyists. At least you'd know what or who you were voting for.
The entire corrupt cesspool in DC needs to be purged. Our system is broken. And I can't see a way to fix it without massive revolutionary changes.
The shite lickers in DC aren't going to vote for term limits or Lobbyist reform for themselves ever. So how do you change it?
It starts with NASCAR style logo jackets. Even politician should be forced to wear a logo for every lobby firm they've accepted any kind of money from.
At this point why don't we just elect the fricking lobbyists. At least you'd know what or who you were voting for.
The entire corrupt cesspool in DC needs to be purged. Our system is broken. And I can't see a way to fix it without massive revolutionary changes.
The shite lickers in DC aren't going to vote for term limits or Lobbyist reform for themselves ever. So how do you change it?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:13 pm to Breesus
quote:
frick Republicans and frick our entire federal government system. Every single person in it.
What a horribly stupid idea. Let's dismantle internet privacy in the name of marketing. Let's dismantle net neutrality while we're at it.
Have you see Trump's FCC appointment? Net neutrality is gone until a politician that cares about the people is elected president.
So... it's gone for good.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:13 pm to Korkstand
quote:I do not understand why this is an issue NOW and now and was not given any attention in politics before 2015ish.
I know you think you're on the right side of this, but you're not. Do you really not see the problem with this?
Didn't come up in the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, nor even the 2016 election very much.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Actually, I believe the rules they're doing away with haven't even gone into effect yet.
So our country was fascist before 2015?
But you still don't get it, I see. These issues of net neutrality and privacy have slowly gotten bigger as the tech has advanced to allow anti-consumer practices to become viable. We were so close to doing it right moving forward, but the Repubs just couldn't let it happen.
And like the coming privacy violations and anti-consumer shite, fascism sneaks up on you slowly over time.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Didn't come up in the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, nor even the 2016 election very much.
All that proves is that the big state "small govt" conservatives don't really believe in anything. They should have been bringing it up since the Patriot act was passed...
But instead bought into the surveillance state hook line and sinker.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Didn't come up in the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, nor even the 2016 election very much.
People who understand and care about net privacy and neutrality have tried to bring it up.
It's a massive issue. Unfortunately most of the American public is either too apathetic or too ignorant to understand it. The framework of the Internet is a delicate and insanely important thing that most people don't seem to care about.
The problem is old people don't understand how computers work and are easily duped by lobbyists and young people who do understand aren't old enough to wield political power. The Lobbyist know this so they have to set the game before we have a chance to change it.
They're winning in a huge way right now.
All the Russian bullshite and healthcare bullshite is going to glaze over this massive problem. I wouldn't be surprised to watch the Republicans make four or five brutally corrupt and fricked up laws pass while no one is paying attention, and by the time we catch up to the problem it'll be too late.
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