re: House of Representatives votes 232-184 to do away with Broadband Privacy

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All that proves is that the big state "small govt" conservatives don't really believe in anything.

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They believe in whoring themselves out for money.

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They should have been bringing it up since the Patriot act was passed... 

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It was actually "small govt" conservatives that created the Patriot act. Most conservatives thought it was a great thing, until Obama abused it.

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There is more to the story when people like thomas massie and Justin Amash, who are the closest things we have gotten to libertarians in congress, voted in favor of it.

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So we should believe in this bill, not on the merits, but the people voicing support?

Not sure that's a good reason.

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There is more to the story when people like thomas massie and Justin Amash, who are the closest things we have gotten to libertarians in congress, voted in favor of it.

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If you make it to DC you get indoctrinated. I have 0 hope for the federal system in this country. It's too big and it's too out of control.

Read these words. Read them and take them to heart. Study them. Understand them they are timeless and true:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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Didn't come up in the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, nor even the 2016 election very much.

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The "I didn't hear about it so it must not have happened" excuse is pathetic.

It has been around since the early 2000s. Do some research

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actually "small govt" conservatives that created the Patriot act.

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My point exactly. Bad bill is bad bill.

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We should listen to all sides, not just the tech sector

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That's fine. Why don't you explain how this bill will make our nation safer by making it easier to surveill without warrants?

You really are trying waaaaaaay too hard. Go Sparty!

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All in all... just use TOR browser and tell the US Gov't to go frick themselves. I don't understand why people don't use it more (even if for security only and not to hide your IP). You don't have to go to the deep web to use Tor.

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You should watch the defcon video on TOR. It won't protect you as much as you think

This has VPN implications

I'll go look the vid up. I've never had a problem with tor as far as getting viruses and the like. It's slow sometimes, but overall I like tor and the Firefox browser.

Tor is comprised.