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GoBigOrange86
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs

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Whatch what you say there. You could use this exact argument to defend NSA.


No you couldn't. The NSA stuff is happening with or without our consent. Food stamps are a voluntary government program, and if you want them, you have to accept the rules attached to them.


oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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No you couldn't. The NSA stuff is happening with or without our consent. Food stamps are a voluntary government program, and if you want them, you have to accept the rules attached to them.

do you receive any benefits from the government? I mean anything they would define as a benefit not what you would define as a benefit?


GoBigOrange86
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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do you receive any benefits from the government? I mean anything they would define as a benefit not what you would define as a benefit?


For which I freely and voluntarily apply? Not that I'm aware of. However, if I do apply for money from my fellow citizens, I am obligated to follow their conditions.


oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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For which I freely and voluntarily apply? Not that I'm aware of. However, if I do apply for money from my fellow citizens, I am obligated to follow their conditions.

Use of the roads would be an easy example. Should the government be able to drug test everyone with a drivers license? It's not a right to drive a car, it's a privilege that is tax payer subsidized for road repair and new construction. Should getting a drivers license subject you to drug testing? Any kind of air travel is subsidized by the government should that require drug testing?

The reality is that we all benefit in some way from the government. We take these social programs that directly hand out money and make villains of poor people.


GoBigOrange86
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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Use of the roads would be an easy example. Should the government be able to drug test everyone with a drivers license? It's not a right to drive a car, it's a privilege that is tax payer subsidized for road repair and new construction. Should getting a drivers license subject you to drug testing? Any kind of air travel is subsidized by the government should that require drug testing?



When things are paid for by money that isn't mine, I am obligated to follow the conditions set for using that money.

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We take these social programs that directly hand out money and make villains of poor people.


Now, wait, why is this vilifying poor people? It's not about vilifying anyone. Government assistance should be a last resort, not a first one. If the government makes it easy to stay on government assistance (that is, you can buy all kinds of extraneous things with taxpayer money, like drugs), there is no incentive to get out of poverty. It encourages people to remain in a situation that is comfortable if not at all ideal.

Far from vilifying poor people, I think this encourages them not to be dependent on the government. I say loosening restrictions in how federal money can be spent doesn't encourage the poor to live a better life, it encourages them to stay poor.


TexasTiger1185
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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We take these social programs that directly hand out money and make villains of poor people.


That's bull.

Drug testing food stamp recipients doesn't mean you think everyone on food stamps does drugs.

It means you don't want any of them on drugs.

Every day we have to work around laws that exist because of only a small percentage of Americans. This is part of life, the minority ruins things for the majority of people.

Small example: Could I handle getting a beer at Tiger Stadium without being sloppy and throwing it on people? Yea, most of us can, but there is a small percentage of people who will do that stuff, thus they do not sell alcohol in the stadium. Does LSU think every person who goes into Tiger Stadium is an uncontrollable drunk? No.


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Homesick Tiger
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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The reality is that we all benefit in some way from the government.


A benefit that we pay for thru income taxes along with several other taxes. I don't consider a "benefit" as something I pay for. A reward maybe but not a benefit. I receive no freebies from the federal govt. that I'm aware of but in case there is, let's don't forget that govt. is financed by you and I, which means it ain't free.

I'd like to know just how many people receiving stamps actually pay federal income taxes?


Ford Frenzy
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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Catch a person failing a drug test and they lose stamps for a year. They can re-apply and get tested again. That'll have a positive net for the state


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TrueTiger
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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Use of the roads would be an easy example. Should the government be able to drug test everyone with a drivers license?


They could as a condition of the license but the public wouldn't buy into that.

This is apple to oranges however. All of us can use the roads but only that welfare recipient gets that cash.

So one one hand we have taxes going to benefit any member of the public, versus a single private person.
The cost of admission should be higher when you get a private benefit from the taxpayers.




TexasTiger1185
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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you can buy all kinds of extraneous things with taxpayer money, like drugs)


People aren't buying their drugs with food stamps man. The point is the money that they do have should be spent on living situations, not drugs.

I apply my money to my bills, my son's bills, to entertainment for us, food for us, gas, necessities before I apply it to bar tabs.
If I am left without money for bar tabs, I don't go. If I am left with less than my typical budget, I adjust. I buy ramen, I don't eat out for lunch at work.


moneyg
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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I meant the drug testing. People aren't poor because they are on drugs, also it isn't like it's difficult to beat a 75 dollar drug test.



People who are on drugs are at a severe disadvantage in gaining employment. Part of any government hand-out should be an attempt at getting off that hand-out. Those who use drugs have no intent of getting off the hand-out.


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If this happens I forsee crime skyrocketing. I doubt these people will decide to just not eat or get a job all the sudden.



Why in the world would you want to give a handout to the people that you are describing above? You admit that it enables those who do not want to "get a job". Yet, you support it. You are one back-assward thinking individual.


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GoBigOrange86
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Member since Jun 2008
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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People aren't buying their drugs with food stamps man.


I'm not saying people are buying drugs with food stamps. I'm talking about handouts more broadly speaking.


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upgrayedd
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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People aren't buying their drugs with food stamps man.


I bet this is more common than you think. Trade an EBT card for drugs. People trade them for cash all the time.


oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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Now, wait, why is this vilifying poor people? It's not about vilifying anyone. Government assistance should be a last resort, not a first one. If the government makes it easy to stay on government assistance (that is, you can buy all kinds of extraneous things with taxpayer money, like drugs), there is no incentive to get out of poverty. It encourages people to remain in a situation that is comfortable if not at all ideal.

Far from vilifying poor people, I think this encourages them not to be dependent on the government. I say loosening restrictions in how federal money can be spent doesn't encourage the poor to live a better life, it encourages them to stay poor.


I don't think this legislation vilifies the poor I think this legislation is a result of vilifying the poor. I hear a lot of rhetoric about poor people, calling them leaches for example (not going back to look up who said it in this thread but it's in here). The only reason to do this would be if we think poor people are staying poor and are poor because of drug use. I just don't think that is the case.


GoBigOrange86
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Lowcountry, The South, USA
Member since Jun 2008
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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I don't think this legislation vilifies the poor I think this legislation is a result of vilifying the poor. I hear a lot of rhetoric about poor people, calling them leaches for example (not going back to look up who said it in this thread but it's in here).


This is a fair point. For the record, I don't believe the poor should be vilified. I recognize that it happens, but I think it reflects frustration people see with the system that they misplace as frustration with the poor. The "poor," such as they are, are not the problem. Government is the problem.

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The only reason to do this would be if we think poor people are staying poor and are poor because of drug use.


That's not necessarily the case. It's not saying they're poor because they use drugs, it's saying that they are poor, and they have exhausted all options, and they have decided they need to turn to government assistance (which is fine), but they are not permitted to use that money on extraneous things. It has to be used for meeting immediate needs. Drugs are not an immediate need.


Patrick O Rly
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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I bet this is more common than you think. Trade an EBT card for drugs. People trade them for cash all the time.


They do.


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the LSUSaint
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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Such a waste of money.


Yes giving fricking crackheads free phones and food is a much better idea.....the truly poor and honest people will still get their checks....the suckass losers who take my tax money and use it for drugs will be gone! Win/WIn


oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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A benefit that we pay for thru income taxes along with several other taxes. I don't consider a "benefit" as something I pay for. A reward maybe but not a benefit. I receive no freebies from the federal govt. that I'm aware of but in case there is, let's don't forget that govt. is financed by you and I, which means it ain't free.

I'd like to know just how many people receiving stamps actually pay federal income taxes?



obviously very few are paying income tax right now but this is a benefit for all. You lose your job you too can get on food stamps and unemployment. You might justify that by saying well I paid into the system while I worked so I paid for these benefits.


GoBigOrange86
Tennessee Fan
Lowcountry, The South, USA
Member since Jun 2008
14219 posts

re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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You might justify that by saying well I paid into the system while I worked so I paid for these benefits.



The problem arises when people are NOT paying into the system because they aren't working. This is the welfare trap. If people were cycling in and out of poverty, I would agree with you, but we're missing the larger picture, which is about the people who are stuck in poverty and who are, through government action, enabled to remain stuck in poverty.


oklahogjr
Arizona State Fan
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs
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They could as a condition of the license but the public wouldn't buy into that.

I don't know if the public will buy into the welfare drug testing but that certainly hasn't stopped the government.

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All of us can use the roads but only that welfare recipient gets that cash.

what is stopping you from being poor and living on government money?



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