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re: Has anyone heard any substantive reasons for this March other than faux outrage?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:24 am to germandawg
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:24 am to germandawg
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Finally you have one the least popular in-coming presidents in modern history. If you take into consideration the number of registered voters who voted for Trump compared to those who didn't there were 10 million more Americans who voted for someone other than the president.
And if the election was held again tomorrow, and Trump received the same number of voters that voted for him last time...
he wins again!
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:25 am to BeeFense5
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Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump. 2h
Watched protests yesterday but was under the impression that we just had an election! Why didn't these people vote? Celebs hurt cause badly.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:26 am to BeeFense5
quote:Nope.
Anyone hear any true reasons for this "protest"
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:28 am to LSURussian
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:35 am to Choupique19
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And if the election was held again tomorrow, and Trump received the same number of voters that voted for him last time...
he wins again!
Yes he does....every single time....that is not the point. The point is that more people voted against him than voted for him...he does not have mandate even in his own party....even many of those Republicans who voted for him did so because they did not have a choice...they were hard core supporters...and non-violent and constant protests, the same thing the tea party did when Obama was elected, are effective at keeping some people on the fence and bolstering the resolve of those almost on the fence when things are proposed that they aren't comfortable with.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:41 am to germandawg
I bet trump earned a larger % of the electorate than bill clinton in 92.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:41 am to Old Sarge
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If you take into consideration the number of registered voters who voted for Trump compared to those who didn't there were 10 million more Americans who voted for someone other than the president.
This is one of the dumbest things ever written on the poli board
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If you take into consideration the number of registered voters who voted for Trump compared to those who didn't there were 10 million more Americans who voted for someone other than the president.
This is one of the dumbest things ever written on the poli board
I know that those of you who support the Fuhrer do not like facts much but how is the fact that 10 million more people who took the time to vote for president voted against the president than those who voted for him silly? You boy does not have anything resembling a mandate even in his own party. It is going to be a slugfest at everyturn and non-violent protests will bolster the resolve of some who would otherwise cave in to pressure from Trump supporters.
I don't recall y'all being amused or outraged by Tea Party protests. As we have seen they worked very well.
Wait until congressmen and senators return to their districts and these people are at town hall meetings disrupting shite left and right...when they go back to Washington they are going to be more likely to stand with their squeaky wheel constituents than with an unpopular president. The Tea Party laid the ground work for the opposition to obstruct...don't whine about that now....
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:44 am to BeeFense5
I'm married to a woman that works hard, has a great job, has never been held back by this supposed oppression, and pays a shite-ton of taxes.
She asked the same thing yesterday. What the hell is their problem?
PS - She didn't vote for Trump either.
She asked the same thing yesterday. What the hell is their problem?
PS - She didn't vote for Trump either.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:46 am to germandawg
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It is the only tool that common people can use to voice their displeasure with the direction of THEIR nation.
Huh. And here I was thinking that's what voting is for.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:46 am to BeeFense5
A female poster on this board said it was a good excuse to get out and mill about with neighbors, like a moving block party, I suppose.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:47 am to BeeFense5
quote:I agree with the poster who wrote yesterday that the protests are basically a group temper tantrum.
Has anyone heard any substantive reasons for this March other than faux outrage?
It's by a bunch of people who are used to getting participation trophies and now they've experienced LOSING for the first time and they just can't handle it.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:50 am to germandawg
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I know that those of you who support the Fuhrer do not like facts much but how is the fact that 10 million more people who took the time to vote for president voted against the president than those who voted for him silly? You boy does not have anything resembling a mandate even in his own party. It is going to be a slugfest at everyturn and non-violent protests will bolster the resolve of some who would otherwise cave in to pressure from Trump supporters.
I don't recall much fussing from the Left when Bill Clinton didn't break 45% during his election.
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I don't recall y'all being amused or outraged by Tea Party protests. As we have seen they worked very well.
I don't recall violence during Tea Party protests. Protests from the Left are frequently accompanied by violence and other forms of extremism that will turn off the voters.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:58 am to autodd03
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I bet trump earned a larger % of the electorate than bill clinton in 92.
What does that have to do with anything??? I will bet his favorability AMONG democrats was higher that Trump's favorability among republicans has ever or will ever be.
Y'all are worried about the wrong group in Washington. It isn't going to be democrats that obstruct Trump's agenda...it is going to be Republicans...the rift in the GOP is not healed by a damn sight...
My math may be wrong but IF senate democrats remain solid in their resolve (a huge if as we are talking about democrats and not republicans) the Senate is a dam for any legislation subject to fillibustering....and for those things requiring only a simple majority it will only take 3 Republican defections to prevent passage. You have Graham and McCain already talking shite....when they are "tea partied" by democrats when they return to their districts more Republicans are going to be open to the idea of opposition.
Your boy is in a bad position. He has, arguably, proven to be as astute a politician as this country has ever produced...if there has ever been a politician capable of overcoming such obstacles Trump is it.....but make no mistake it is not going to be easy....it is going to be a fricking bloodbath and it is going to require ALL sorts of compromise on Trump's part.
This is where democrats will play a role. Trump's ego has proven UNABLE to resist rising to a well trolled bait....when McCain and Graham and Paul Ryan in the house of representatives force Trump to compromise the democrats will be able to step in and point how Trump is rolling over and the people won't have to do anything Trump will do all the work himself.
The problem with any of this is if the fricking democrats will stop whining and sniveling and get the frick to work. As a group they are more likely to feel than think so they will probably fail to be as effective as the GOP was in 2008...and the mid-terms are not as favorable to democrats in 2018 as they were to republicans in 2010.
And, to end my diatribe....the GOP has the tiller at every level. As anyone who has ever been in a position of leadership knows it is nowhere near as glamorous as the brochure makes it look. It is much easier to sit in the back seat and critique the driver than it it to actually do the driving. The GOP right now is all in a low flush river.....they better hope someone else somewhere in the world or in the US ain't holding the ace or their pretty 10 high flush is going to mean nothing more than a bad beat....
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:02 am to germandawg
Your metric of choice in attempting to undermine the validity of trump's presidency.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:09 am to autodd03
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Your metric of choice in attempting to undermine the validity of trump's presidency.
What? You sincerely think that a bunch of career politicians didn't force Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, two pretty popular presidents, into doing shite they didn't want to do???
Trump proved beyond any doubt to be as good if not the best campaigner to ever run for the office of president. That may well translate into an equal ability to lead....but to think that even the GOP is going to roll over and pee on their belly because a president who received 3 million less votes than the democrat and saw 10 million more registered voters vote against him than for him walks into Washington you are being very naive. It very well could happen but it ain't gonna be without a fight from the GOP....let alone the democrats....
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:20 am to Jake88
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I don't recall much fussing from the Left when Bill Clinton didn't break 45% during his election.
The difference is that Bill Clinton was HUGELY popular in his own party. He didn't have to guard his backside any more than normal....Trump does not have that luxury.
And the worst disservice that Trump supporters can do for their boy now is to pretend he has a mandate and that he will be able to walk all over the house and the senate...the more Trump supporters grow to believe that winning in the manner that Trump won is normal the less effective Trump will be.
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I don't recall violence during Tea Party protests. Protests from the Left are frequently accompanied by violence and other forms of extremism that will turn off the voters.
I could not agree more. The worst thing that the left could do at this point is drive moderate Republicans and Never Trump Republicans, no small number of Republicans...into a Trump Mandate by burning down buildings and turning over police cars.
The problem with the left is that many supporters of the left are young, passionate and impulsive without the tempering that life experience brings. That is why you don't see the same kind of violence from most people on the right because they are older, more mature, and have MUCH more to lose by being violent. It is the same reason you can't make an army out of middle aged men but must use young men 18-25 or so. If you tell a 40 year old man to storm a machine gun nest he is going to want to talk about it....a 18 year old will do it for the glory and the cause.
There is no doubt that the right is much better suited to conduct the kind of warfare the Tea Party conducted in 2008. Even the town hall disruptions were pretty calm compared to what I am afraid we are going to see this summer from the left. I hope I am wrong because there is nothing...not a thing in the world...which will drive the wall of opposition that Trump faces in his own party to his side than a bunch of violence breaking out all across the country in the coming months. And again...make no mistake....the only wall of opposition that Trump faces is in his own party...Republicans are the only thing which can stand in his way....
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:35 am to germandawg
Well, then, uhh...I, uh, suppose we agree.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:39 am to Jake88
The Clash should stop doing My Sharona and substitute Muh Uterus.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:45 am to antibarner
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The Clash should stop doing My Sharona and substitute Muh Uterus.
The Knack
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:46 am to Jake88
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Well, then, uhh...I, uh, suppose we agree.
Yes we do about violent protest...nothing will drive moderates closer to the man than seeing a bunch of hooligans turning cars over and setting them on fire...
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