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"Green" fuel killing the Gulf

Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:51 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:51 am
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I wonder if corn subsidies have anything to do with this.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:53 am to
Water = wet
Politician = liar
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7178 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:06 am to
Ethanol made from corn is an economic and ecological disaster. And the sad thing is that we did it to ourselves. Take a way the subsidies and you have lower food prices, greater efficiency, a smaller Gulf dead zone, and less land planted with corn.
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Ethanol made from corn is an economic and ecological disaster. And the sad thing is that we did it to ourselves. Take a way the subsidies and you have lower food prices, greater efficiency, a smaller Gulf dead zone, and less land planted with corn.




Solution meet problem
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29026 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:12 am to
quote:

Ethanol made from corn is an economic and ecological disaster. And the sad thing is that we did it to ourselves. Take a way the subsidies and you have lower food prices, greater efficiency, a smaller Gulf dead zone, and less land planted with corn.




Less fricked up lawn equipment as well.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11475 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:14 am to
More ethanol equals less forest. Farmers cut down trees to make farms. More farms equal more gas/diesel burning equipment. More chemicals and ferilizers. More water used to irrigate instead of used for drinking.

Liberals = Unintended consequences
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52765 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:15 am to
Yeah, but not as much money can be made from attacking corn farmers, as opposed to attacking oil companies.

The government demands tribute. They just want to wet their beak. Or else!!!
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:16 am to
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. Ethanol is the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American public.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:16 am to
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Ethanol made from corn


I prefer mine in a quart mason jar, and it just taste better untaxed.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57153 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:25 am to
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I prefer mine in a quart mason jar, and it just taste better untaxed.




Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118691 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:27 am to
There ought to be a law...






...for this government caused problem.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:28 am to
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Ethanol made from corn is an economic and ecological disaster. And the sad thing is that we did it to ourselves.


This is true, but so is lead and MTBE.

People always bitch about ethanol but never acknowledge why it is used.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42527 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:08 pm to
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People always bitch about ethanol but never acknowledge why it is used.

Wait - why is it used? is there some advantage to it?

It is used to satisfy the econazis and line the pockets (buy the votes) of corn growers - as far as I can tell.

It is an inferior fuel with no advantages (known to me)
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101312 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Ethanol made from corn is an economic and ecological disaster


It's truly truly horrible.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101312 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:13 pm to
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uote:
People always bitch about ethanol but never acknowledge why it is used.

Wait - why is it used?


Yeah, I'm all ears here.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:24 pm to
Yes we know why it's used

The benefits are overwhelmed by adverse effects

Stop the ethanol bullshite
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

Wait - why is it used? is there some advantage to it?


LINK

quote:

One of the first gasoline additives used for this purpose was tetraethyl lead, which turned out to be an environmental disaster. Everywhere it went, the original octane enhancer left a nasty cloud of lead—which, as you might have heard, is really, really bad for our health and the environment. In the 1970s, the Environmental Protection Agency began forcing refiners and importers to reduce the amount of lead in their gasoline; by 1996, the EPA had banned lead from automobile gasoline entirely. Over those two decades, the regulations reduced lead levels in America


quote:

But while MTBE was great for urban air, it was bad for the water supply. When gasoline leaked from tanks, the MBTE mixed easily with water and soil and biodegraded much slower than gasoline's other ingredients. The EPA found that MTBE had contaminated five to 10 percent of drinking water samples where the chemical was being used heavily.


The article goes on to explain that ethanol has its own laundry list of issues. However, the simple truth is that lead was added to gas to prevent engine knock. Lead was determined to be harmful, and was replaced by MTBE. It was also found to be harmful, and was replaced by ethanol.

While I recognize the issues that ethanol use presents, I get tired of the typical rhetoric on the mater that doesn't look at how we got to that point. The market capitalized on ethanol use, and it only further exacerbated the problem. Nevertheless it wasn't simply used because of econazis.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:39 pm to
Gas leaks are a lot less common these days. Tons of stations have revamped their storage due to liabilities like this
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:40 pm to
If you're going to have ethanol subsidies, which I think are dumb, but let's go along for a moment, they should be ethanol subsidies. Not corn subsidies. Sugarcane has seven times the energy balance of corn for ethanol. There are symbiotic bacteria (gluconacetobacter) that can fix nitrogen so you use less chemicals. Why is our ethanol coming from the Midwest instead of the South?

Oh.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

Yes we know why it's used The benefits are overwhelmed by adverse effects Stop the ethanol bullshite


I doubt the average American does. Ethanol use is quite the conundrum. It is horribly energy inefficient but government subsidies have squashed moving to better alternatives.
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