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Glenn Beck's most profound message yet
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:17 pm
quote:
You cannot force democracy on the Iraqis or anybody else. It doesn’t work. They don’t understand it or even really want it. They may be too immersed in their own belief of Sharia Law to embrace liberty or at least at this time. If people vote for Sharia Law, they vote for Sharia Law. We tried. What can we do? We have lost thousands of American lives. We have lost thousands of lives on the Iraqi side and tens of thousands have been wounded. We have spent $2 trillion – say that again – $2 trillion, and upwards of 200,000 Iraqi citizens, aid workers, insurgents have been killed. That’s the conservative number. Liberals will tell you it’s almost 1 million people. I don’t know what the number is, but after all of that, hundreds of thousands of lives, $2 trillion, the best minds in the world trying to do it, it’s about to fall apart.
quote:
But, anyway, all of that is gone. And yet, this is something I think that we can come together with, on the right and the left. And it’s this – I have more of a chance of hacking off my loyal listeners and audience by saying this, but so be it: Not one more life. Not one more life. Not one more dollar, not one more airplane, not one more bullet, not one more Marine, not one more arm or leg or eye. Not one more. The people of Iraq have got to work this out themselves. Our days of being the world’s policemen, our days of interventionists is over. If we are directly attacked, so be it. But this must end now.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:20 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
Not one more life. Not one more life. Not one more dollar, not one more airplane, not one more bullet, not one more Marine, not one more arm or leg or eye. Not one more. The people of Iraq have got to work this out themselves. Our days of being the world’s policemen, our days of interventionists is over. If we are directly attacked, so be it. But this must end now.
I can get behind that.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:21 pm to joshnorris14
So when we start bombing, will there be protests? Seems like their should be.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:23 pm to baybeefeetz
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So when we start bombing, will there be protests? Seems like their should be.
Hopefully at the voting booth. Kick all imcumbents who support this nonsense to the curb. The letter beside their name ceased to matter long ago.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:24 pm to joshnorris14
I suppose this is either a profound or hypocritical statement for Glen Beck to say, considering there are so many liberals that have been saying get out of their and all that other crap for YEARS, and considering Glen Beck has often ran with the banner of John McCain saying to "send more troops"
Whatever.
Whatever.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:26 pm to joshnorris14
Glenn has grown up.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:26 pm to joshnorris14
I like it. Good for Glenn Beck.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:28 pm to boosiebadazz
What about oil prices though?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:28 pm to joshnorris14
It's a shame he didn't feel this way before the first Iraq invasion.
He's still a nutjob and pseudo-intellectual, but I give him credit for saying something his followers may not like to hear.
He's still a nutjob and pseudo-intellectual, but I give him credit for saying something his followers may not like to hear.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:31 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
You cannot force democracy on the Iraqis or anybody else.
Actually you can force it. We just never tired to at least not at the level of force it would have taken. Which I'm not saying we should have.
I was never into the whole nation building thing to begin with. Bomb, yes. Build, no.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:32 pm to EthanL
quote:
I suppose this is either a profound or hypocritical statement for Glen Beck to say, considering there are so many liberals that have been saying get out of their and all that other crap for YEARS, and considering Glen Beck has often ran with the banner of John McCain saying to "send more troops"
So you are agreeing that Obama choosing to continue Bush's policy in Iraq instead of bringing the troops home immediately, surging the troops in Afghanistan, continuing and stepping up drone strikes, expanding the Patriot Act and vamping up domestic eavesdropping and data collection and creating a less transparent government than we have ever seen as a nation is hypocritical? You must, because these are just a few things on a long list of things he has done that is blatantly opposite of what he campaigned on. Glad we agree. Agreement is nice.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:34 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:39 pm to tysonslefthook
Wow Shocking coming from him.
But seriously this has been what liberals said during the bush years. Now the republicans are saying it during the obama years.
oh no now Obama is doing what bush did...
So all politicians are DINO's and RINO's?
But seriously this has been what liberals said during the bush years. Now the republicans are saying it during the obama years.
quote:
So you are agreeing that Obama choosing to continue Bush's policy in Iraq instead of bringing the troops home immediately, surging the troops in Afghanistan, continuing and stepping up drone strikes, expanding the Patriot Act and vamping up domestic eavesdropping and data collection and creating a less transparent government than we have ever seen as a nation is hypocritical?
oh no now Obama is doing what bush did...
So all politicians are DINO's and RINO's?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:39 pm to EthanL
Not hypocritical. He's saying that we aren't there to2, so we should get the frick out. Reset. We shouldn't have gone in to begin with if we were going to pussy foot around. On to of that, our own house is way out of order. We have to fix out house in order to do anything anywhere.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:40 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Seems like a good kick in our pants to further ramp up the development of natural gas as a viable and long-term fuel source.
I'd rather endure the higher prices and resulting economic effects than have American boots on the ground over there again.
I'd rather endure the higher prices and resulting economic effects than have American boots on the ground over there again.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:44 pm to joshnorris14
The guys who really got it right were George H.W. Bush and Brent Scrocroft. They wrote:
Smart men.
quote:
- Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs.
-We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.... there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles.
- Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish.
- Breaking up the Iraq state would pose its own destabilizing problems.
Smart men.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:46 pm to constant cough
quote:I don't think you could call it a Democracy then. Certainly not representative.
Actually you can force it. We just never tired to at least not at the level of force it would have taken. Which I'm not saying we should have.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:47 pm to Vegas Bengal
our government fricked up.
big time.
big time.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:47 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Seems like a good kick in our pants to further ramp up the development of natural gas as a viable and long-term fuel source.
I'd rather endure the higher prices and resulting economic effects than have American boots on the ground over there again.
Maybe this will ramp up pressure for expanded production of oil and gas at home and approval for Keystone.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 4:48 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
The guys who really got it right were George H.W. Bush and Brent Scrocroft. They wrote:
quote:
- Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs.
-We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.... there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles.
- Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish.
- Breaking up the Iraq state would pose its own destabilizing problems.
Smart men.
Then what happened to his kid?!?
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