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Gerrymandering discussion
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:40 pm
I see lots of comments on social media and news regarding Gerrymandering as some sort of Republican tool to guarantee a conservative majority.
1. Wasn't this process, at least in modern times, used for racial reasons to ensure minority districts?
2. When you carve out a minority district don't you, as a logical certainty, leave behind a majority district?
3. The term Gerrymandering is about 200 years old and used by all parties and for multiple reasons. When did this become a Republican issue?
1. Wasn't this process, at least in modern times, used for racial reasons to ensure minority districts?
2. When you carve out a minority district don't you, as a logical certainty, leave behind a majority district?
3. The term Gerrymandering is about 200 years old and used by all parties and for multiple reasons. When did this become a Republican issue?
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Those damn republicans and their gerrymandering
Oh wait....
Oh wait....
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:43 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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3. The term Gerrymandering is about 200 years old and used by all parties and for multiple reasons. When did this become a Republican issue?
It became an issue when Democrats lost congress.
When they control the state houses and get to do it at Census time its all good.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:45 pm to BeeFense5
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Those damn republicans and their gerrymandering Oh wait....
Holy frick.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:48 pm to Loserman
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It became an issue when Democrats lost congress.
When they control the state houses and get to do it at Census time its all good.
This is 100% true...gerrymandering is not something only Republicans do both parties do it when they have the ability to do so....
This is why it is such a good thing that Trump has ended the conservative stranglehold on the GOP....I know y'all doubt this but you have to know that many true conservatives are not going to support Trump in the whitehouse and that shite is going to blow up in the states where it matters....the Tea party is going to primary the shite out of conservatives opening the door for moderates across the entire nation....
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:49 pm to germandawg
Yea, that's not going to happen.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 8:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I think Gerrymandering allows more polarizing canidates to be elected and that causes less compromise in DC...
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:08 pm to Loserman
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When they control the state houses and get to do it at Census time its all good.
the R's control most state houses.
they have done a great job at Gerrymandering recently.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I wish they would split up congressional districts by way of socioeconomic status, and not where you live.
I have way more in common with another middle class family living across the state, than I do a section 8 housing resident living a few miles away or a multimillionaire down the road.
I have way more in common with another middle class family living across the state, than I do a section 8 housing resident living a few miles away or a multimillionaire down the road.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:09 pm to wickowick
I think Gerrymandering is ridiculous. But I don't see it as a Republican issue. Both parties have done it.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:12 pm to wickowick
I have a suggestion/solution. Do away with parties altogether. Let everyone run as simply a candidate. The top two end up in a runoff, winner take all in the general election.
Screw parties. Screw polarization caused by parties. Every one is afraid to cross the aisle because they'll be scorned by Grover Norquist or Nancy Pelosi.
Talk about upsetting the apple cart. Bet the farm that either party would rather keep it a two party system because they know eventually they'll be back in power and can steal and rob during their turn.
As a still registered Democrat, I rarely get to vote for one, having to vote my conscience for the best person; frick the party.
But of late Republicans have not done the best job of offering up the best and brightest so whether or not you'll admit it, we all get screwed one way or other.
Do away with parties!
Screw parties. Screw polarization caused by parties. Every one is afraid to cross the aisle because they'll be scorned by Grover Norquist or Nancy Pelosi.
Talk about upsetting the apple cart. Bet the farm that either party would rather keep it a two party system because they know eventually they'll be back in power and can steal and rob during their turn.
As a still registered Democrat, I rarely get to vote for one, having to vote my conscience for the best person; frick the party.
But of late Republicans have not done the best job of offering up the best and brightest so whether or not you'll admit it, we all get screwed one way or other.
Do away with parties!
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:12 pm to wickowick
I have been on the Reapportionment committee twice. Both times Gerrymandering was done by the Democrats and Union leaders to make Black majority districts. They started in the 70's to just make majority Black districts,then it became big majority Black, like 70% etc., leaving all the remaining districts mostly White and Republican. I told the La. Black leaders in the meetings that making all black districts would leave big majority White districts,but they didn't care. It backfired on them. But,they did it. NOT Republicans. I was there.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:12 pm to wickowick
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that causes less compromise in DC.
Good.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
1. Wasn't this process, at least in modern times, used for racial reasons to ensure minority districts?
in the South? yes, and it creates guaranteed-GOP districts surrounding them
in other areas, it's just incumbents ensuring their victory next election
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:14 pm to Jake88
Both Parties do it
Example look at Louisianas 2nd Congressional District
Also the fourth
Example look at Louisianas 2nd Congressional District
Also the fourth
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:16 pm to TupeloTiger
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They started in the 70's to just make majority Black districts,then it became big majority Black, like 70% etc., leaving all the remaining districts mostly White and Republican. I told the La. Black leaders in the meetings that making all black districts would leave big majority White districts,but they didn't care. It backfired on them. But,they did it. NOT Republicans. I was there.
This is exactly what has happened, and the U.S. Dept. of Justice signed off on every bit of it.
Eta: For those states that are subject to Justice review, such as Texas and Louisiana.
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Yea, that's not going to happen.
yeah it will..not any time soon but it is going to happen...Democrats said the same thing about Republicans in the 90's.....
First off the GOP is about to implode...the conservative wing of the GOP is done and Trump is proof of that....he ain't a liberal by any stretch but he is going to spend money and do things that labor has been clamoring for for years...that means that even with a strangle hold on state and federal government there isn't one party in control...the GOP 2 parties in itself.....and the dems are still around....there is about to be some serious politicing going on at the state and federal levels...all sorts of deals reached, backs stabbed....the whole liberal conservative dynamic that served the establishment so well for the last 40 years has finally been broken....don't be surprised when we see Reagan and Tip O'Neil type shite going on in the next 40 years....
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:32 pm to germandawg
sounds like wishful thinking.
People like a winner. Politicians attach themselves to winners. The Trump wave will grow the party. 2018 will be massive followed by 2020. Have you not been paying attention?
People like a winner. Politicians attach themselves to winners. The Trump wave will grow the party. 2018 will be massive followed by 2020. Have you not been paying attention?
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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1. Wasn't this process, at least in modern times, used for racial reasons to ensure minority districts?
As someone who's taken part in the redistricting process in the south, the VRA sec 2 makes it almost impossible to draw districts entirely based on contiguity, compactness, and communities of interests, resulting in crazy shaped districts that carve out super minority districts.
You're bound to drawing the district as to not dilute the minority population so it passes federal review. And trust me, those minority legislators don't care where you have to grab from, you better not dilute their district.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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sounds like wishful thinking.
People like a winner. Politicians attach themselves to winners. The Trump wave will grow the party. 2018 will be massive followed by 2020. Have you not been paying attention?
I am agreeing my friend...but they ain't going to be conservatives!!! I don't care what they call themselves....Republicans, Democrats, Fiddler Crabs...makes me no difference as long as they follow through with about half the spending they are talking about they can be whatever you want to call them!!!!
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