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re: Germany Bans ISIS Propaganda And Symbols In Order To Stop Recruitment
Posted on 9/13/14 at 12:56 am to bamarep
Posted on 9/13/14 at 12:56 am to bamarep
We have no so called alies anymore. Every world leader knows Obama is a vagina. As always America will will shed more countless soldiers and trillions with no real stragedy or end game ain't the USA great,,,, 
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Posted on 9/13/14 at 1:04 am to LittlebyLittle
quote:The end game is war...forever. So things are going along nicely. And it helps that most Americans are ignorant, gullible morons.
As always America will will shed more countless soldiers and trillions with no real stragedy or end game
Posted on 9/13/14 at 1:32 am to trackfan
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The bottom line is that if you don't believe in freedom of speech for people you despise, you don't believe in freedom of speech at all.
You need to go tell this to your fricking liberal compatriots.
Posted on 9/13/14 at 6:19 am to genuineLSUtiger
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but it is still the best country on the face of the planet. Warts and all.
I don't know if I would go that far, but when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of religion (1st Amendment) and the right to bear arms (2nd Amendment), the U.S. is the unrivaled world leader.
There's no other nation that can match us when it comes to tolerating unpopular or offensive political expression, and if you want to rile people up, this is the place to do it. Groups like the KKK and Westboro Baptist Church would be banned in much of Europe, and Islamaphobes, many of whom can be heard on talk radio or cable news, would be thrown in prison if they were in the Mideast.
When it comes to religion, this is the only nation that I know of where a person's religious beliefs can used to exempt him/her from compulsory military service. Furthermore, as I once heard a Muslim cleric point out, Muslims have more freedom to practice their religion in the manner they choose in the U.S. than they do in most Muslim countries. For example, we don't force Muslim women to wear head scarfs like they do in Saudi Arabia, Iran and a few other Muslim countries, nor do we deny them the right to wear head scarves or burqas like they do in Turkey, not to mention France, where the Cross and the Star of David have also been banned. We also haven't banned Muslim prayer towers like the Swiss have, or declared certain parts of the country Mosque-free zones, to the chagrin of many folks on the right.
Of course I don't have to spell out our superiority to the rest of the world when it comes weapons freedom.
Ironically, a lot of folks on the right think our 1st Amendment is too permissive but like our 2nd Amendment just the way it is, while many folks on the left love our 1st Amendment, but would like to restrict or repeal our 2nd Amendment. I'm one of the folks in the middle who likes both of them just the way they are.
Posted on 9/13/14 at 6:33 am to trackfan
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Furthermore, as I once heard a Muslim cleric point out, Muslims have more freedom to practice their religion in the manner they choose in the U.S. than they do in most Muslim countries.
And oddly enough, if the U.S. became majority muslim, this would no longer be true.
Posted on 9/13/14 at 6:58 am to TrueTiger
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And oddly enough, if the U.S. became majority muslim, this would no longer be true.
It all depends on which type of Muslims. If it's Muslims like Feisal Abdul Rauf and Daisy Khan, we'd be in pretty good shape, but you don't see FOX News giving these kind of Muslims much air time.
Posted on 9/13/14 at 7:52 am to genuineLSUtiger
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quote: The bottom line is that if you don't believe in freedom of speech for people you despise, you don't believe in freedom of speech at all.
This is one of the core beliefs of our country. From highly publicized cases such as Larry Flynt to the attack on statements by college frats, to people who speak against conventional thought, any intrusive or draconian measures to curtail one of the central beliefs will erode in time all of them.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:50 pm to LaFlyer
quote:The major problem with this kind of jingoistic thought is that back in the day, this truth rested on a social compact, a consensus of values and ways of being that kept this nation in a fairly stable frame of mind. Today, the melting pot has ceased melting. The 24/7 media beats the drum of controversy, partisanship and conflict (disguised as news) non-stop. Whatever unifying religious philosophical/ethical ideas that were once referred to as Judeo-Christian Values have seriously eroded; instead an ethic of self-interest and self-centric behaviors have more and more taken center stage, a destructive individualism which does great mischief to any sense of real community in America, even Western civilization as a system.
quote: The bottom line is that if you don't believe in freedom of speech for people you despise, you don't believe in freedom of speech at all.
* * *
This is one of the core beliefs of our country. From highly publicized cases such as Larry Flynt to the attack on statements by college frats, to people who speak against conventional thought, any intrusive or draconian measures to curtail one of the central beliefs will erode in time all of them.
I don't know where I'm going with this, except I don't want to blindly support carte blanche "freedom of speech" as we have previously understood it. Not in these dark times. I want to lament the loss of innocence which gave that cherished freedom a generous place in our hearts. And I would like to say to everyone: "Look! Look around! Evaluate the times! Use your critical faculties! Think! And if change is necessary, make room for it!" God willing, it won't be permanent.
And so I have a want to point to an op/ed piece in today's NYT that kind of captures the mood of the world today, and sort of the essence of why I might not be so quick to dismiss Germany's effort to shore up what is left of their consensus and civilization. To stand there like sheep and bleat about losing freedom of speech, while every other freedom is being stolen or given away under our very noses, seems obviously misguided.
So take a look, read and consider, if you're able... Unraveling before our eyes.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:58 pm to trackfan
This law does absolutely nothing. They'll still have their own little hamburg cells if they want, and they wouldn't be caught openly propagandizing anyway. The western recruits lend themselves to the services of these groups when they find a mosque that's sympathetic to the cause, and the majority of the radicalization is actually done in the home-countries.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:07 pm to gthog61
quote:Was it a liberal who shot Larry Flynt? Was Giuliani a liberal when he started a lawsuit to prevent art from being displayed? Was it liberals who were apoplectic about the work of Andres Serrano?
You need to go tell this to your fricking liberal compatriots.
Was it liberals in North Carolina that banned science?
Was it liberals trying to take away Porn during the Reagan years?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:23 pm to BuckyBadger
Your talking about old school honest liberals.
Modern lib/progs don't have a big problem with censorship.
Modern lib/progs don't have a big problem with censorship.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:51 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:quote:
The bottom line is that if you don't believe in freedom of speech for people you despise, you don't believe in freedom of speech at all.
* * *
This is one of the core beliefs of our country. From highly publicized cases such as Larry Flynt to the attack on statements by college frats, to people who speak against conventional thought, any intrusive or draconian measures to curtail one of the central beliefs will erode in time all of them.
The major problem with this kind of jingoistic thought is
How is this "jingoistic"? Do you know what the word means?
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I don't know where I'm going with this, except I don't want to blindly support carte blanche "freedom of speech" as we have previously understood it.
I respect your opinion but I don't share it.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:53 pm to TrueTiger
quote:so they are like conservatives?
Your talking about old school honest liberals. Modern lib/progs don't have a big problem with censorship.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:54 pm to TrueTiger
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Your talking about old school honest liberals.
Modern lib/progs don't have a big problem with censorship.
You're confusing Democrats with liberals. Anyone who opposes free speech is by definiton not a liberal.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 4:03 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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This law does absolutely nothing. They'll still have their own little hamburg cells if they want, and they wouldn't be caught openly propagandizing anyway.
But they were openly propagandizing which is why Germany passed the law. This law means that they'll go underground and continue doing what they were doing, which is why I would oppose such a law in this country. IMO, it's better to let groups like the KKK operate openly, even if it means granting them all the privileges of other groups such as parade permits, rather than forcing them underground where you never have any idea what your neighbors are really thinking.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 5:34 pm to trackfan
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You're confusing Democrats with liberals.
I'm talking about this kind of garbage. It's PCism run amok and it seems that liberals, progressives and dems are all hip deep in it.
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Examples are easy to find, but difficult to stomach. Western Michigan University prohibited students from holding “condescending sex-based attitudes.” The University of Delaware banned “teasing” and “ridiculing.” California State University at Chico prohibited students from using “generic masculine terms … to refer to people of both sexes,” literally prohibiting students from using the term “guys” to get the attention of a group of friends. And Drexel University’s speech code proscribed — if you can believe it — “inappropriately directed laughter” and “inconsiderate jokes.” One might as well require students to “play nice with others.”
When universities act in furtherance of these policies, the results are predictably disastrous. At Bucknell University, students were prohibited from holding an “affirmative action bake sale” to protest the use of racial preferences in admissions policy. Tufts University students were found guilty of “harassment” when they accurately published certain passages from the Quran. At New York University, students were successfully pressured into not displaying the Danish cartoons of Mohammad that ignited worldwide protest nearly a decade ago.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 5:42 pm to trackfan
The United States really is an exceptional country!
Posted on 9/15/14 at 5:56 pm to trackfan
quote:In the contemporary American sense of the word, this is certainly not uncommon.
Anyone who opposes free speech is by definiton not a liberal.
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