re: Gay male couples face more challenges, higher costs to start a family

Why is more people trying to adopt children a problem?

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Why is more people trying to adopt children a problem?

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The goal of adoption isn't so that two grown arse men can cosplay Leave it to Beaver

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The goal of adoption isn't so that two grown arse men can cosplay Leave it to Beaver

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Better to leave them in the system with no parents than 2?

Yeah fricking right. I know two gay dudes that adopted two kids and get a few thousand dollars each month for adopting them. They're living it up, just bought a condo on the beach.

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Bit of a derail, but why? If all parties agree, why should the government get involved and "limit" it? (Assuming no coercion and no minors, obviously)

Or are you acknowledging that a few hetero-couples will be negatively-impacted and are willing to accept that side-effect in order to deny access to homo-couples (for whom it is essentially the only way to have kids who share your genetics).

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I believe it's a very perilous slope for humanity where people are increasingly opting to distance themselves from the human procreation process by contracting the bulk of it out to others. And of course, the woman who carries the child is ultimately (usually) entirely removed from the future life of the child. I think that's treading in very dangerous waters.

I'm not completely against surrogacy, I'm in particular open to its merits when involving family/friends. And I 100%, genuinely grieve for the women who cannot carry children. But I think we're already seeing it slip into very questionable territory. It's more and more a practice of the wealthy exploiting young women (gay and not). I don't think it's good for the culture, the child, or the exploited woman.

And yes, I'm certainly concerned about the use of surrogates for gay couples, but it's not limited to that.

If you can’t afford to adopt a child you shouldn’t be able to have one!!

They want to make adoption easier?

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Probably the one who handed out the biological equipment that precludes it

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You think God would prefer kids stay in foster care than go to someone who would love and take care of them?

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You think God would prefer kids stay in foster care than go to someone who would love and take care of them?

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I genuinely don't know the answer to whether God would want a kind gay couple to become the "dads" of a child without parents. I suspect not, as I think living as a gay couple in a gay relationship is sinful, and I don't think that should be modeled for children. But I don't know with certainty, of course.

And I think it's a separate question of whether, for example, it would be permissible for a celibate gay man to adopt.

But anyway, the question was about intent and design (or that's how I interpreted it), and obviously two men in a romantic relationship aren't "designed" to have children.