re: Gary Oldman is this Board's Favorite Actor

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the whole position navytiger is arguing on behalf of, is based in fantasy land. which is essentially the headquarters of the PC movement.

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Do you realize that the post quoted above actually doesn't mean anything?

dbl.

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go to the US and ask and we'll blame Iran

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I doubt most Americans think Iran is the cause of most of the world's wars.

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i'm not discussing my own blame for issues that i perceive

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That's fine. Let's expand this out a bit, though. I know you don't mind engaging on an issue.

First, let's define what PC is. Once we agree on a definition, I'm willing to take some time to demonstrate that everyone has some standard that they hold to and, in fact, will hold others to.

I'll start by proposing that PC is not a legal standard--at least not in a criminal sense. That would be a violation of the principles of the first amendment. You can run down the street screaming to the top of your lungs about Jews, peckerwoods, ****s, cripples, queers, and anyone else, and you probably won't be arrested unless you create an undue disturbance. Granted, running afoul of social conventions (which is all I think of when I think of what you call "PC") can:
(1) elicit negative reactions from society and individuals. Deal with it. (2) Get you fired. (3) Sink your political ambitions (4) Damage your credibility in polite circles, etc.

Let's take on (2) which is, for all intents and purposes, the closest to a legal sanction. Would you argue that I should be able to go to work tomorrow and call one of the ladies in my office a count? Or ask one to wear a skirt that lets me see her arse jiggle a little better? Or tell one of the Hispanic techs that I bet he'd work faster for a couple of bean burritos? Now, in the military, I'd find myself in deep shite for any of those things. In most civilian workplaces, I'd simply be shown the door. Is that "PC run amok?" Is it simply applying a standard for social behavior.

Would you still have your job if you got busted for DUI and then went on an anti-semitic rant? What about if your ex claimed you were threatening and harassing her and you were taped telling her you hope she gets raped by a pack of n!ggers. Mel doesn't belong in jail for any of that (well, save the DUI part) but in what setting would he escape social opprobrium.

ETA: As an aside. I understand the poliboard to be a very un-PC place. If you've read my posts, I'm not very PC in familiar company myself. A few days ago, in response to one of the "Russia" threads that have grated on my nerves for the better part of a year (you were in many of them) I offered a fairly un-PC and non-constructive post calling the posters in the thread stupid and telling them to GFTS. I was rightfully, in my opinion, brought up short. Interesting thing, too.

On the very un-PC poliboard, an un-PC poster RA'd that post, an un-PC admin un-PC deleted it, and other un-PC posters proceeded to pile on, going so far as telling me that I wasn't fit for service as an officer--because I swore at a bunch of adults on a weblog. I was wrong. I thought the behavior unbecoming myself. But I find it curious that it drew that kind of reaction from people so disinterested in imposing social sanction on others. Maybe you can help walk me through it. It was only a few days ago, so it shouldn't be hard to find (minus my post, though it's quoted by a few others).

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Gary Oldman is this Board's Favorite Actor

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You're good! Because he is my favorite actor.

Damnit Gary!

SMH

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Oh the stupidity considering Bill Maher lost his network show for saying things and it's conservatives who led the fight for him to lose it.

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well Maher typically does defend conservatives under fire for these things b/c of his own experiences

but just look at what he did to sarah palin and michelle bachmann. then think about all of the "right wing" politicians and/or pundits who were crucified for criticizing liberal, female politicians as sexists/misogynists

there is a double standard