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re: Former intel officer confirms to CNN that US IC was using Brits to get around US law
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:05 am to Doc Fenton
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:05 am to Doc Fenton
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bullshite. It's the standard story--other nations began noticing strange things about the Trump campaign in 2015
Why were they monitoring the Trump campaign in 2015? Paul Manafort and Carter Page were not even on the campaign then. So who exactly were they monitoring?
Don't you find it odd that GCHQ, German intelligence, and the NSA just kept "incidentally" collecting on Trump for well over a year? Do you not find it odd that Susan Rice was over there unmasking personal conversations on Trump's FAMILY that had zero foreign intel value?
Get real, man. This was nothing but a witch hunt. Obama was doing opposition research on Trump by using the fricking intelligence apparatus of the United States. He even went so far as to open an FBI investigation based on a made up dossier written by a guy on Hillary's payroll.
The whole thing stinks. If Trump's people really were colluding with Russia, do you not think they would have found evidence in all those conversations they were "incidentally" collecting for a god damned year? Do you not think that just one of these people said "Ok, let's hack this election, baws" in all that time? What exactly were they listening to them talk about and why has nothing come of it?
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:08 am to League Champs
Judge Napolitano has always hit me as a solid guy. In fact, that's an understatement; He's always impressed me as being a very SUBSTANTIAL person with character & integrity.
So when it appeared that he had been guilty of "overreaching" on a story, it seemed highly out-of-character, imo, that JN would've done something like that. Regardless of what anybody thinks of FOX News, pro or con, I was surprised & disappointed that this had happened to HIM.
Turns out, ol' Judge had his ducks in a row the whole time.
PS - I don't watch CNN, but I wonder if Don Lemon is STILL telling his small audience that he won't insult their intelligence by reporting on Obamagate?
So when it appeared that he had been guilty of "overreaching" on a story, it seemed highly out-of-character, imo, that JN would've done something like that. Regardless of what anybody thinks of FOX News, pro or con, I was surprised & disappointed that this had happened to HIM.
Turns out, ol' Judge had his ducks in a row the whole time.
PS - I don't watch CNN, but I wonder if Don Lemon is STILL telling his small audience that he won't insult their intelligence by reporting on Obamagate?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:16 am to AUstar
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So who exactly were they monitoring?
Ohhh, I don't know. Maybe one of these guys???
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Tevfik Arif, Patokh Chodiev, Alijan Ibragimov, Felix Sater, Mikhael Sheferovsky, Semion Mogilevich, Gennady Klotsman, Salvatore Lauria, Alex Shnaider, Boris J. Birshtein, Sergei Mikhaylov, Alexander Volkov, Patokh Chodiev, Alexander Mashkevich, Eduard Shifrin, Oleg Sheykhametov, Lev Kvetnoy, Andrei Skoch, Evsei Schnaider, Paul Manafort, Dmytro Firtash, Anatoly Golubchik, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov, Anatoly Golubchik, Galina Telesh, Dariga Nazarbayeva, Jacob Bogatin, David Bogatin.
For frick's sake. The man was being groomed by KGB agents since the 1980s ( LINK):
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First, the President-elect really is very “well-connected,” with an extensive network of unsavory global underground connections that may well be unprecedented in White House history. In choosing his associates, evidently Donald Trump only pays cursory attention to questions of background, character, and integrity.
Second, Donald Trump has also literally spent decades cultivating senior relationships of all kinds with Russia and the FSU. And public and private senior Russian figures of all kinds have likewise spent decades cultivating him, not only as a business partner, but as a “useful idiot.”
After all, on September 1, 1987 (!), Trump was already willing to spend a $94,801 on full-page ads in the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, and the New York Times calling for the United States to stop spending money to defend Japan, Europe, and the Persian Gulf, “an area of only marginal significance to the U.S. for its oil supplies, but one upon which Japan and others are almost totally dependent.”79
Wake the frick up, people.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:18 am to Doc Fenton
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If anything, Barack Obama was complicit in tacitly backing Comey's judgment to hurt Hillary and help Trump, most likely because Obama thought Hillary was going to win anyway, and he didn't care enough about her to help her.
Wow.
If you believe barack obama, who put all the political credibilty and might he could muster out of his skinny arse behind hillary clinton, gave a nod to James Comey and said "rough her up a bit and let's make this race interesting thus threatening my legacy, the supreme court and the direction of the country for the next four years, then you just may be insane.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:21 am to Erin Go Bragh
I don't think you understand what tacitly complicit means.
Plus, everybody knows that Obama has always hated the Clintons. He wasn't going to help Comey or Trump, but he wasn't going to go out of his way to help Hillary either. That's what I'm saying.
Plus, everybody knows that Obama has always hated the Clintons. He wasn't going to help Comey or Trump, but he wasn't going to go out of his way to help Hillary either. That's what I'm saying.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:22 am to Doc Fenton
That is some kook-level shite right there.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:23 am to Doc Fenton
quote:Holy shite, Doc. We used to argue about Iran but I always knew you were a reasonable cat.
bullshite. It's the standard story--other nations began noticing strange things about the Trump campaign in 2015, and the CIA & FBI didn't want to act on this knowledge because they thought the politics looked back. Thus, they didn't start an official investigation until July 2016, and even then, they refused to go public about it.
In no way whatsoever does this back up Napolitano's assertion that the Obama Administration requested surveillance of the Trump campaign from foreign agencies. Every indication is that the higher-ups in the Obama Administration wanted nothing to do with this, and hoped it would go away, whereas the lower officers were the ones who were more concerned (and rightly so). Common sense would tell you that the Obama Administration wasn't the one pushing for or requesting these investigations, because if they did, the final stretch of the election in October 2016 would have played out COMPLETELY differently than it did.
If anything, Barack Obama was complicit in tacitly backing Comey's judgment to hurt Hillary and help Trump, most likely because Obama thought Hillary was going to win anyway, and he didn't care enough about her to help her.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:24 am to gthog61
Uh huh. Guy hangs around Russian oligarchs for over two decades, and is dependent upon them for his livelihood, and yet we're supposed to expect that Russian intelligence didn't try to use him in different ways while funneling money to his businesses? That's literally what their job is to do.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:25 am to Doc Fenton
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I don't think you understand what tacitly complicit means.
You condescending butthole. Go back to being a cut and paste intellect.
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but he wasn't going to go out of his way to help Hillary either. That's what I'm saying.
Then you weren't paying attention.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:27 am to Erin Go Bragh
Go back to being a gullible clickbait-swallowing rube.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:29 am to Doc Fenton
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but he wasn't going to go out of his way to help Hillary either.
Obama all but dropped to his knees and begged his supporters to vote for hillary. Don't you recall the " I'll see it as disrespect for me" speech?
He put it all on the line for her. Everything you've said is wrong.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:30 am to AUstar
quote:They were monitoring various Russian persons, not future Trump campaign members.
Why were they monitoring the Trump campaign in 2015?
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So who exactly were they monitoring?
See above.
quote:Maybe Trump's people talked to a lot of Russians on a lot of occasions. Maybe they should have found a different crowd to run with.
Don't you find it odd that GCHQ, German intelligence, and the NSA just kept "incidentally" collecting on Trump for well over a year?
quote:Why not break it all in October if that's the case? What's the point in pulling some shite like this to rig an election if you don't introduce it during the election.
Get real, man. This was nothing but a witch hunt. Obama was doing opposition research on Trump by using the fricking intelligence apparatus of the United States. He even went so far as to open an FBI investigation based on a made up dossier written by a guy on Hillary's payroll.
quote:I think they're sure as shite still looking for a reason.
If Trump's people really were colluding with Russia, do you not think they would have found evidence in all those conversations they were "incidentally" collecting for a god damned year?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:31 am to Navytiger74
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bullshite. It's the standard story--other nations began noticing strange things about the Trump campaign in 2015, and the CIA & FBI didn't want to act on this knowledge because they thought the politics looked back. Thus, they didn't start an official investigation until July 2016, and even then, they refused to go public about it.
In no way whatsoever does this back up Napolitano's assertion that the Obama Administration requested surveillance of the Trump campaign from foreign agencies. Every indication is that the higher-ups in the Obama Administration wanted nothing to do with this, and hoped it would go away, whereas the lower officers were the ones who were more concerned (and rightly so). Common sense would tell you that the Obama Administration wasn't the one pushing for or requesting these investigations, because if they did, the final stretch of the election in October 2016 would have played out COMPLETELY differently than it did.
If anything, Barack Obama was complicit in tacitly backing Comey's judgment to hurt Hillary and help Trump, most likely because Obama thought Hillary was going to win anyway, and he didn't care enough about her to help her.
Holy shite, Doc. We used to argue about Iran but I always knew you were a reasonable cat.
If this comment doesn't completely "blow your cover" w/regards to your true political leanings, then nothing will.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:31 am to Doc Fenton
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clickbait-swallowing
From Mr. cut and paste
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:33 am to Doc Fenton
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First, the President-elect really is very “well-connected,” with an extensive network of unsavory global underground connections that may well be unprecedented in White House history. In choosing his associates, evidently Donald Trump only pays cursory attention to questions of background, character, and integrity. Second, Donald Trump has also literally spent decades cultivating senior relationships of all kinds with Russia
That's true.
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For frick's sake. The man was being groomed by KGB agents since the 1980s
That's a good bit strident.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:35 am to Doc Fenton
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Doc Fenton
Who are you?
And how did you manage to hack Doc Fenton's TD account?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:35 am to Doc Fenton
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Second, Donald Trump has also literally spent decades cultivating senior relationships of all kinds with Russia and the FSU. And public and private senior Russian figures of all kinds have likewise spent decades cultivating him, not only as a business partner, but as a “useful idiot.”
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:38 am to KCT
quote:Based upon the way events unfolded, that's the most plausible retelling of how this likely played out. I mean Obama could have firebombed the campaign in October by asserting that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump, but no. All the government conceding at the time was that the Russians were trying to undermine the process.
If this comment doesn't completely "blow your cover" w/regards to your true political leanings, then nothing will.
Their preference was kept under wraps until January. So unless Obama was playing 45D chess and wanted Trump to win but then ultimately be disgraced, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for him to order a politically motivated witch hunt to tilt an election and then use none of its fruits.
And what cover? I post here enough for people to decipher my ideas and sympathies.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:41 am to Jay Quest
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Obama all but dropped to his knees and begged his supporters to vote for hillary. Don't you recall the " I'll see it as disrespect for me" speech?
He put it all on the line for her. Everything you've said is wrong.
Exactly.
Obama & Hillary may not have been bosom buddies, but Obama had (and has) an obsessive hatred for Trump. Sometimes people aren't very good at adding up 2+2, but Obama was always in the loop regarding Comey's decision.
Don't believe that? When was Obama's first campaign appearance with Hillary? it was THE SAME DAY that Comey announced his decision not to recommend charges against Hillary. Comey said during his PC that NOBODY knew what his decision was in advance, but that was obviously a lie. Does anybody think that Obama would've scheduled a campaign appearance with Clinton just hours after a potential recommendation of charges against her by the FBI Director?
Come on, people. Nobody here is that stupid.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:43 am to KCT
quote:Not so fast.
Come on, people. Nobody here is that stupid.
Don't you and a few other "Christians" believe that Trump was chosen by God to fulfill some prophecy?
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