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Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:58 am to Loserman
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Bush's fault...
Ok.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:15 am to MrCarton
quote:You sound very un-informed. Our support in Iraq and Syria is the only thing that has kept ISIS at bay since they were nearly knocking on the US Baghdad Embassy in 2014. We made the right move to only support the Iraqi Security Forces through our Coalition and building partner capacity and with our air campaign. Since we kicked off Inherent Resolve we have completely re-built the Iraqi Army (giving us an ally in the most turbulent part of the world) and have nearly defeated ISIS. Unfortunately we have lost some casualties, but that is always the cost of war. In this case, I think we have done as well as possible considering the importance of this mission.
I hope Trump will withdraw these men from this nightmare.
So, saying 'Trump get us out of this nightmare' is a typical knee-jerk reaction to a soldier dying, and reveals you really don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:10 am to MrCarton
I'm saddened than an American Serviceman has died in yet another Middle Eastern Country.
I really wonder if the Person(s) that 1st brought up the notion of Regime Change in the Middle East,actually believed it could be done.
I've always heard that we're supposed to learn from our mistakes.
I really wonder if the Person(s) that 1st brought up the notion of Regime Change in the Middle East,actually believed it could be done.
I've always heard that we're supposed to learn from our mistakes.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:21 am to King Teal
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You sound very un-informed.
Ok.
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Our support in Iraq and Syria is the only thing that has kept ISIS at bay since they were nearly knocking on the US Baghdad Embassy in 2014
They weren't knocking on the embassy in Baghdad. Sounds like a cool story though.
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We made the right move to only support the Iraqi Security Forces through our Coalition and building partner capacity and with our air campaign.
Partner capacity to do what? The Iraq AF can't fly jets at night and they cant hit the broad side of a barn in the daytime. you are full of shite. Iraqi ground troops have been completely ineffective without overwhelming US air support. The one good unit they have is depleted severely after the battles out in Anbar. Iraqi artillery is so bad they can't even use it for fear of killing their own troops or civilians. Almost every battle won so far has been on the backs of militia groups either 1. Trained and advised by iranian or 2. Locally based.
So you need to show me your definition of capacity.
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Since we kicked off Inherent Resolve we have completely re-built the Iraqi Army (giving us an ally in the most turbulent part of the world) and have nearly defeated ISIS.
False.
Having to constantly fight people's battles for them isn't an alliance. That's a liability.
The PMFs are the effective force in Iraq. Thr Iranians have far more control over them than the US. IRAN is the beneficiary of the US involvement.
The iraqi army has consistently failed to do anything in a timely or efficient manner. It wasn't until the IRGCQF advisors came in an mobilized ground troops that any push was made against ISIL. They played a huge role in the battle for fallujah, and they will play a huge role in Ninawa Province.
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Unfortunately we have lost some casualties, but that is always the cost of war. In this case, I think we have done as well as possible considering the importance of this mission.
This soldier was killed in Ayn Issa, Syria which has nothing to do with the Iraqi Army. This mission, and the Iraq mission, are among the least important missions ever undertaken in US military history.
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So, saying 'Trump get us out of this nightmare' is a typical knee-jerk reaction to a soldier dying, and reveals you really don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I've spent 6 or 7 years of my life in Iraq, Afghanistan, lebanon, Turkey, Qatar, and many other countries since the GWOT. I was a SOF soldier and I understand very well what is going on, what has gone on, and what will go on.
You sound like a staff bitch. Which makes you slightly more knowledgeable than the shite i just took.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:34 am
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:23 am to tidalmouse
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've always heard that we're supposed to learn from our mistakes
Unfortunately we have rumors of John Bolton appointment.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:50 am to MrCarton
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Sad news. I hope Trump will withdraw these men from this nightmare.
There is absolutely no upside to us getting involved in that. Whenever we decide we have had enough death and loss and finally leave, the same fricking mess will still be there.
The only winners are the death merchants on Wall Street. We have to break that cycle.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:57 am to WhiskeyPapa
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IRAN is the beneficiary of the US involvement.
It cannot be said enough that whacking Iraq in 2003 removed a powerful counterbalance to Iran in the region. It has also emboldened the Saudis.
THAT FACT ALONE should have made invading Iraq (which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks) a total non-starter and it would have -- if the Cheney/Bush cabal actually cared about what was good for U.S. strategic interests. They clearly did not and they should still be held accountable.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 5:39 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Having to constantly fight people's battles for them isn't an alliance. That's a liability.
I don't have McCarton's experience but when I was on Desert Storm we had a brief on the Saudi military. This would apply to any Arab/muslim army over there.
For one thing, they don't have any sense of personal responsibility. Whatever happens -- it's not their fault. Also, when our liaison officers suggested that maybe the Saudi troops should practice quick reaction drills or simple squad/fire team formations - "Not necessary", their officers said, "they learned that in recruit training."
Not having any sense of personal responsibility (except to themselves) means that when they are attacked, instead of thinking, "I have to stick with my buddies; they are depending on me", at some point they will just run.
It was discovered that even the Republican Guard, made up of the elite of Iraqi society and all college students or college educated would fail to perform the simplest maintenance tasks on their vehicles. Check the battery, check the air filters, monitor fluid levels? Nuh-uh. If it runs it runs, if it doesn't, it is the will of Allah.
Inshallah.
Shouldn't we bore sight the tank guns, the mortars, the artillery? That is very necessary -- vibration can quickly knock the site out of alignment with the gun.
Why? If we miss the target because the gun is way out of alignment with the sight - It is God's will. Inshallah.
These people CANNOT be trained in any sense that wakes sense to westerners. It is just not going to happen -- ever.
I recall an anecdote I read after DS was over. The Marine Reserve tank company based I believe in Seattle, had lagered up at night in a circle for a stand down/rest period. Ten Abrams tanks they had. They kept two tanks 'up', the rest were shut down including their thermal imaging sites.
Wouldn't you know it, but they detected 50 or so Iraqi tanks moving straight towards them. This led to some anxious moments as they brought all the Abrams online. The sites take literally 2-3 minutes to come online.
As it turned out, they killed every Iraqi tank for no loss.
Your humble narrator At Fort Benning in 2009 with an Iraqi T-72 tank captured by the U.S. Army.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:52 pm to MrCarton
Update.
Military Times - DoD releases name of service member killed Thursday in Syria
Military Times - DoD releases name of service member killed Thursday in Syria
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The Defense Department announced Friday evening the identity of the service member killed in northern Syria while supporting Operation Inherent Resolve.
Senior Chief Petty Officer Scott Cooper Dayton, 42, of Woodbridge, Virginia, was killed in an improvised explosive device blast on Thursday near Ayn Issa.
He was assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit Two, which is based in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:53 pm to King Teal
quote:You would do yourself a huge favor if you stayed behind your keyboard and just went to the BUB every day and left the fighting and dying to people like McCarton.
King Teal
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:01 pm to King Teal
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Our support in Iraq and Syria is the only thing that has kept ISIS at bay since they were nearly knocking on the US Baghdad Embassy in 2014.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:52 pm to King Teal
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Since we kicked off Inherent Resolve we have completely re-built the Iraqi Army
Again? They have one brigade that will go toe to toe with ISIS and they nearly bled them to death in the refinery battles.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:54 pm to Lakeboy7
He is a JOC koolaid drinker.
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