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re: Fergusons famed and reliable "witness 40"--
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Your link is just a news story written by a reporter. It says nothing about forensics or anything.
LINK
He may not have changed his story but it was proven to be totally false by the autopsy report
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:22 pm to mmcgrath
True, I don't have any official records of his testimony. I would welcome any you can find. It sounds to me like he describes a shooting that would have been impossible in light of the autopsy report. Again, would welcome any evidence to the contrary. I just haven't seen any.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:22 pm to Hog on the Hill
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This is what's really forcing to me to doubt whether the prosecutor was acting in good faith. I just can't understand why he'd allow this woman to testify if he knew her testimony was untrustworthy.
Maybe the DA thought that once her testimony was shown to be false then it would make the GJ discredit the testimony of the other eyewitnesses who agreed with Wilson's account of what happened.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:30 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Here is the list of his interviews. LINK
True, I don't have any official records of his testimony. I would welcome any you can find. It sounds to me like he describes a shooting that would have been impossible in light of the autopsy report. Again, would welcome any evidence to the contrary. I just haven't seen any.
Just for extra fun, I can show you where the most favorable "evidence" for the cop is. It is the two blood stains past where the body is, directly beneath the wheels of the SUV in this picture. Apparently they drove over the evidence.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:33 pm to KCT
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Darren Wilson was the victim in all of this.
Strong Safety, would you mind bumping your thread about all the lies that Dorian Johnson told? I must've missed it.
I had "book marked" all SS' post on this very topic about Dorian Johnson lying. However, it appears the posts were later edited and the word "lies" had been replaced with words "unbiased truth"....
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:59 pm to mmcgrath
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. Apparently they drove over the evidence.
careless, but doesn't necessarily discredit
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list of his interviews
Will read
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:09 pm to uway
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Also wasted an opportunity to talk about police tactics.
The opportunity was gone from the second this shite started. And it is the fault of ONE group of people. The protestors and left wing media who suck up to them for votes.
Stop making everything a race issue and discussion WILL happen. Until then, nothing will change.
I have a feeling the people outraged don't actually give any fricks about change anyways.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:19 pm to Hog on the Hill
I may be confusing the shooting-him-in-the-back story with another witness, but here's a link to the video where Johnson says Wilson just stood over Brown and shot him (FFWD to about 2:10).
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This was one of the first interviews to hit the networks and the picture it paints is significantly different from the one we now know.
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This was one of the first interviews to hit the networks and the picture it paints is significantly different from the one we now know.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:26 pm to Bard
quote:That is the one single quote that is used by the prosecutor over and over to the grand jury. Unfortunately the comment isn't clarified in the news video, but Dorian explains in detail what happened in the initial police interview.
I may be confusing the shooting-him-in-the-back story with another witness, but here's a link to the video where Johnson says Wilson just stood over Brown and shot him (FFWD to about 2:10).
When you read the police shift supervisor's testimony about what Wilson said minutes after the incident, it conflicts with what Wilson testifies to. Unfortunately they didn't think to take notes or record what he was saying on day 1... which seems rather suspicious, no?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:30 pm to StrongSafety
I can tell you that the eye witnesses are usually terrible. We had a pedestrian killed the other day by stepping out in front of a car. We had 5 eye witnesses. All 5 of them had different stories of what happened. This man just stepped off the curb and got hit by a car. Imagine how hard it was to get good info on something as complicated as this shooting.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:34 pm to mmcgrath
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That is the one single quote that is used by the prosecutor over and over to the grand jury. Unfortunately the comment isn't clarified in the news video, but Dorian explains in detail what happened in the initial police interview.
My point on this is that it's my belief that Johnson's ...exaggerated... portrayal of what happened in that interview is what started the shite-storm. Had he initially stated it as Brown rushed the door and then tried to get the cop's firearm, the whole "hands up" issue would never have snowballed like it has.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:47 pm to Bard
quote:Why would he say he rushed the door or tried to get the gun, two things he never saw happen?
My point on this is that it's my belief that Johnson's ...exaggerated... portrayal of what happened in that interview is what started the shite-storm. Had he initially stated it as Brown rushed the door and then tried to get the cop's firearm, the whole "hands up" issue would never have snowballed like it has.
As for what you call an "exaggeration, he was likely referring to the cop shooting Brown as he was falling down, which forensics backs up. You have to remember that he is reporting what he is seeing from about 80 feet away with Wilson's back to him. From his perspective, what he sees is the officer "over" Michael Brown. However he says that he still sees Michael Brown's face, so he obviously isn't talking about the cop standing "directly" over him.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:02 pm to mmcgrath
So, from looking over the Dorian Johnson FBI interview, it looks like he says both things: That 1. Wilson shot Brown while he was standing over him (though it's confusing because he also says they were wrestling at the time), not killing him, but injuring him; and 2. that Brown ran after the first gunshot, and was then shot in the back while his hands were raised.
I do not believe the autopsy report backs up either one of those claims, but I will need to read further. It's a fascinating to see those documents. It was good of the NY Times to provide them.
ETA: All of Brown's gunshot wounds except one show that he was facing the shooter. One, #8, entered his back right forearm, which was shot form behind him. There was no residue on it, so maybe it was shot from a distance. That is the only one that could have been shot from behind, and it is in his right forearm (nothing that could possibly be construed as a fatal shot). Still, it could conceivably been shot while Brown was running, which obviously would not have been good judgement on Wilson's part.
It's sad that all objectivity is almost by definition lost from this whole terrible ordeal.
I do not believe the autopsy report backs up either one of those claims, but I will need to read further. It's a fascinating to see those documents. It was good of the NY Times to provide them.
ETA: All of Brown's gunshot wounds except one show that he was facing the shooter. One, #8, entered his back right forearm, which was shot form behind him. There was no residue on it, so maybe it was shot from a distance. That is the only one that could have been shot from behind, and it is in his right forearm (nothing that could possibly be construed as a fatal shot). Still, it could conceivably been shot while Brown was running, which obviously would not have been good judgement on Wilson's part.
It's sad that all objectivity is almost by definition lost from this whole terrible ordeal.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:04 pm to mmcgrath
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Why would he say he rushed the door or tried to get the gun, two things he never saw happen?
He was standing right there, he saw them happen he just didn't admit it because it put Brown (and therefore him) in a bad light. He also didn't mention that Brown had just stolen the cigarellos.
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As for what you call an "exaggeration, he was likely referring to the cop shooting Brown as he was falling down, which forensics backs up.
No, he didn't. He said Brown was down and Wilson stood over him and shot more times. That's something completely different than saying someone was being shot as they were falling.
He also says that Wilson attempted to pull Brown into the vehicle after reaching out and choking Brown. No other witness that I can remember has said that.
Johnson's embellishments are, imo, what led to this spinning so out of control. That interview was the first many heard of the incident and it continues to color their perception of what happened.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:15 pm to Bard
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He also didn't mention that Brown had just stolen the cigarellos.
If you read the transcript of the FBI interview, he does mention the cigarillos, but it's all very bizarre. He claims to have pulled the cigarillos out of brown's hands while Brown was simultaneously wrestling with Wilson.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:17 pm to DawgfaninCa
You're the type that thinks people should do things to make you feel better about yourself.
You've already made your mind up clearly.
Blacks need to fit your way of life to make you less racist. If you had even a nut of a brain youd realize that you are the one with the problem here.
You've already made your mind up clearly.
Blacks need to fit your way of life to make you less racist. If you had even a nut of a brain youd realize that you are the one with the problem here.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:19 pm to Bard
Is Johnson the profile?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:53 pm to StrongSafety
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You're the type that thinks people should do things to make you feel better about yourself.
bullshite.
I'm the type of educated and rational person who doesn't live his life the way some ignorant and/or irrational people want him to live his life just to appease those ignorant and/or irrational people.
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You've already made your mind up clearly.
That's because, unlike you, I'm open minded and gave all of the evidence the proper weight it deserved which forced me to come to only one conclusion.
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Blacks need to fit your way of life to make you less racist.
Blacks need to learn how to speak proper English as well as learn the law, otherwise, I will relate to them as being ignorant, lazy and/or irrational.
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If you had even a nut of a brain youd realize that you are the one with the problem here.
Since I do have a brain, I do realize who is the one with the problem and to quote an ignorant person, "It ain't me".
Posted on 12/19/14 at 5:56 pm to Bard
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Johnson's embellishments are, imo, what led to this spinning so out of control. That interview was the first many heard of the incident and it continues to color their perception of what happened
None of the usual suspects will admit this, but you're 2000% right.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:03 pm to Bard
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No, he didn't. He said Brown was down and Wilson stood over him and shot more times. That's something completely different than saying someone was being shot as they were falling.
He also says that Wilson attempted to pull Brown into the vehicle after reaching out and choking Brown. No other witness that I can remember has said that.
Johnson also first testified he met up with Brown that day just a few minutes earlier when he saw Brown walking down the middle of the street by himself.
The store video clearly proves that was a deliberate lie.
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