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re: FEDGOV determined Hispanic/Latino not a race...
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:36 pm to Easy
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:36 pm to Easy
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But a large number of Hispanics do look like your white self, so why would they be a different race?
At what skin tone do interracial babies not allowed to claim to be "black"?
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:37 pm to martiansgohome
Where do you think white-hispanic came from? Had to figure a way to inject race into Zimmerman. Bingo.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:49 pm to Meauxjeaux
Race, as defined by free dictionary:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. A usually geographically isolated population of organisms that differs from other populations of the same species in certain heritable traits: an island race of birds.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. A usually geographically isolated population of organisms that differs from other populations of the same species in certain heritable traits: an island race of birds.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:59 pm to martiansgohome
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At what skin tone do interracial babies not allowed to claim to be "black"?
On the census? Anyone can claim whatever they want.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:05 pm to martiansgohome
Is Native American a race?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:20 pm to TheFolker
Easy way to solve this problem. We just go by the races that anthropologist use. Which is caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid. If biracial use some damn common sense and put what two you are.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:21 pm to Easy
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On the census? Anyone can claim whatever they want.
That's incorrect. Hispanic/Latino folks are specifically told they are not a race.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:26 pm to martiansgohome
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That's incorrect. Hispanic/Latino folks are specifically told they are not a race.
In the context of the question posed, anyone can claim whatever they want from the choices given.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:28 pm to TheFolker
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Is Native American a race?
Using the common definition of race, yes Native American is a race. That same definition, when applied to Hispanic qualifies Hispanics as a race, For some reason, which I have not found an answer to, the FEDGOV believes all Native Americans constitute a single race, yet Hispanics are not.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:31 pm to martiansgohome
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Using the common definition of race, yes Native American is a race. That same definition, when applied to Hispanic qualifies Hispanics as a race, For some reason, which I have not found an answer to, the FEDGOV believes all Native Americans constitute a single race, yet Hispanics are not.
DO you consider Shakira and Manny Ramirez to be the same race?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:32 pm to Easy
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In the context of the question posed, anyone can claim whatever they want from the choices given.
In the context of the questionnaire, which specifically stated Hispanics are not a race when instructing the questioned how to answer questions 5 and 6, the questioned is not allowed to answer Hispanic as a race:
Census 2010 questionnaire
So.... anyone (but Hispanics) can claim whatever they want from the choices given.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:37 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Why is any of this race-assignment crap necessary, anyway? I thought the goal was to work toward a color-blind society.
Because separating people into different categories is the only way to make sure everyone is treated the same.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:37 pm to martiansgohome
One thing that you'll notice from that and the census in general is that they subdivide lots of different races but never black. If you are Pacific Islander you get a dozen subchoices. The same with Asian and even Hispanic (not a race). But black is just black.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:39 pm to reverendotis
Whites divided Americans by race for generations, but when that information is used for equality instead of discrimination then it becomes a problem.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:40 pm to Easy
See how easy that was?
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This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:45 pm to Easy
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Whites divided Americans by race for generations, but when that information is used for equality instead of discrimination then it becomes a problem.
Then why are we discriminating against a specific race when gathering the information?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:47 pm to martiansgohome
Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic group, not a race. I have a friend who married a swarthy Mexican. Their kid is blond hair and blue eyed. Is he white? Hispanic? White Hispanic? I'm sure he could legally check "Hispanic/Latino" on a college app and get AA preferences.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:51 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic group, not a race.
Based on what?
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I have a friend who married a swarthy Mexican. Their kid is blond hair and blue eyed. Is he white? Hispanic? White Hispanic? I'm sure he could legally check "Hispanic/Latino" on a college app and get AA preferences.
I'm sure they could, as long as they have some documentation. You wouldn't want them to pull an Elizabeth Warren. Though that whole things to have worked out for her.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:51 pm to martiansgohome
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See how easy that was?
It's not just appearance. They have common recent ancestry. Shakira has much less heritage in common with Ramirez.
If your position is that racial categories make little sense, then I agree with that.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:52 pm to Easy
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Whites divided Americans by race for generations, but when that information is used for equality instead of discrimination then it becomes a problem.
Equality? Really?
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