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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Pay to play boys, pay to play.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:35 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I don't know? Let him answer. But if his answer is it needs to be regulated because it's a necessity... why wouldn't he be in favor of food neutrality?
Food neutrality? What kind of a straw man is that?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:43 pm to Taxing Authority
He's not arguing about food neutrality. It's a dumb argument.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:48 pm to cahoots
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What do you think is going to happen when the major ISPs, protected by the government, control all of the content? Do you think we will get new ISPs? Do you think you will have access to more content? The answers are no and no
This.
When government has control, the large companies buy the politicians and make the policy. They then control the content... Only they will have monopoly of force and regulation.
So, yet again, the government based solution to having companies with too much potential power gives those feared companies even more power than they otherwise would have.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:26 am to imjustafatkid
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Name one thing that has ever been made better through government intervention.
So let's start with an obvious example.. the Clean Water Act.
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A 1969 river fire caught Time‘s attention in an article on American sewage systems, headlined in print as “The Cities: The Price of Optimism.” Here’s the excerpt on the Cuyahoga.
No Visible Life. Some river! Chocolate brown, oily, bubbling with subsurface gases, it oozes rather than flows. “Anyone who falls into the Cuyahoga does not drown,” Cleveland’s citizens joke grimly. “He decays.” The Federal Water Pollution Control Administration dryly notes: “The lower Cuyahoga has no visible life, not even low forms such as leeches and sludge worms that usually thrive on wastes.” It is also—literally —a fire hazard. A few weeks ago, the oil-slicked river burst into flames and burned with such intensity that two railroad bridges spanning it were nearly destroyed. “What a terrible reflection on our city,” said Cleveland Mayor Carl Stokes sadly. By 1969, the Cuyahoga had actually caught fire at least 13 times before. (In fact, Time used a 1952 fire photo for the story.) Still, that conflagration served as such a vivid demonstration of water pollution that it led to the creation of the EPA in 1970, and then to passing the Clean Water Act in 1972.
~240 million gallons/day of raw sewage flowing into the Potomac River in the 60's
This post was edited on 11/18/17 at 12:28 am
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:27 am to DarthRebel
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Internet is not right, it is a privilege.
Keeping poor people off the Internet may be a good thing.
Agreed.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:32 am to Halftrack
This post was edited on 11/18/17 at 12:34 am
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:37 am to imjustafatkid
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Name one thing that has ever been made better through government intervention.
I shudder to think what internet and phone might be like if AT&T had not been broken apart.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:56 am to bmy
Was that cartoon about the internet? I thought I was reading about the argument for long distance and telecom regulation.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:38 am to SoulGlo
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Was that cartoon about the internet? I thought I was reading about the argument for long distance and telecom regulation.
Internet is a telecom so yeah.. pretty much
Posted on 11/19/17 at 1:10 am to cave canem
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As suspected most here are adhering to their political party of choices stance on the issue and refuse to form an opinion of their own or consider any points from across the aisle.
We are so fricked as a country
Yes and yes.
While I understand why this became a factional issue I don't understand why people have let it get so purely political. The thing I am most disturbed by in threads here and other forums is the idea of preventing poor people from being able to afford internet access. At first, I thought it was simply tongue in cheek but the more I see it without lulz or apology the more I begin to think it is actually an honest opinion.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 2:01 am to Obtuse1
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While I understand why this became a factional issue I don't understand why people have let it get so purely political. The thing I am most disturbed by in threads here and other forums is the idea of preventing poor people from being able to afford internet access. At first, I thought it was simply tongue in cheek but the more I see it without lulz or apology the more I begin to think it is actually an honest opinion.
Providing net access to the poor is something no one should be against, it provides a very inexpensive way for folks to educate themselves and or their children and remove themselves from their present condition. I abhore our welfare state but the net is the modern day equivilant of the public library.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:32 pm to bmy
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Was that cartoon about the internet? I thought I was reading about the argument for long distance and telecom regulation.
Internet is a telecom so yeah.. pretty much
That's my point.
The arguments for net neutrality and government regulating the internet are identical to the arguments for government regulating telecom.
Deregulation was the best thing to ever happen with telecom, as we now have nearly unlimited options for telecommunication...the exact opposite of the fears of the government pushers.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 1:15 pm to bmy
What a bunch of shitty propaganda
Posted on 11/19/17 at 2:48 pm to cave canem
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Providing net access to the poor is something no one should be against, it provides a very inexpensive way for folks to educate themselves and or their children and remove themselves from their present condition. I abhore our welfare state but the net is the modern day equivilant of the public library.
Throttle the bandwidth of free and subsidized service and I'm ok with it.
Your argument is like a teenager saying "I need this laptop with a 4k screen to do my homework and educate myself."
We all know how that turns out.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 2:53 pm to cave canem
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modern day equivilant of the public library
Tell me how poor utilize libraries to start and I’ll consider caring about their internet
Posted on 11/19/17 at 3:05 pm to SG_Geaux
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I shudder to think what internet and phone might be like if AT&T had not been broken apart.
T was a regulated utility, government pretty much told them what was up. Lol!
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:56 pm to Turbeauxdog
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modern day equivilant of the public library
Tell me how poor utilize libraries to start and I’ll consider caring about their internet
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:05 am to SoulGlo
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That's my point.
The arguments for net neutrality and government regulating the internet are identical to the arguments for government regulating telecom.
Deregulation was the best thing to ever happen with telecom, as we now have nearly unlimited options for telecommunication...the exact opposite of the fears of the government pushers.
Being labeled a telecom/NN is just a few years old.. so that doesn't really hold water. Pre-NN we didn't have have unlimited options for internet with the vast majority of people having only one major provider in their area.. and that hasn't changed much.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:08 am to Turbeauxdog
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Tell me how poor utilize libraries to start and I’ll consider caring about their internet
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