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re: Elon Musk: Automation Will Force Governments to Introduce Universal Basic Income
Posted on 2/19/17 at 7:45 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/19/17 at 7:45 pm to Bench McElroy
Gonna be a lot of dead folks in the future I see.
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Posted on 2/19/17 at 8:13 pm to Bench McElroy
He can't even build a car without government subsidies; and they aren't all that reliable. Why is he now the Oracle of Delphi?
Posted on 2/19/17 at 8:31 pm to Loserman
quote:
Paying people not to work has never been successful.
The entire concept of UBI is that people have their basic needs met.. food, shelter, utilities.. anything extra has to be earned. There will always be those who are content with the basics. The vast majority of the population will be happy to work, innovate, and create.
I wouldn't stop working if my basic needs were met.. would you? I'd be able to take risks and create or innovate.
Posted on 2/19/17 at 8:33 pm to bmy
I wouldn't work a 9 to 5 job if my basic needs for myself and my family were met. I would spend that time being creative.
Posted on 2/19/17 at 8:46 pm to HempHead
If machines put people out of jobs, I can see another economy forming outside the official one. A black market on steroids where folks engage in trades, etc. all w/o AI involvement.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:31 am to bmy
quote:
The entire concept of UBI is that people have their basic needs met.. food, shelter, utilities.. anything extra has to be earned. There will always be those who are content with the basics. The vast majority of the population will be happy to work, innovate, and create.
I wouldn't stop working if my basic needs were met.. would you? I'd be able to take risks and create or innovate.
You are in dreamland. The vast majority of people would just go live on the beach sit around party, watch TV and play video games.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:37 am to bonhoeffer45
quote:We had a War on Poverty for half a century. Poverty won. It's over.
This idea has certainly evolved since 1968 and shifted in structure and thinking, but like always
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:39 am to Loserman
Exactly. It's always funny when the dorks start touting the wonders of a post-work/post-scarcity world. If such a world comes to fruition, you'll see the same bullshite people do with the their spare time (namely, the activities you mention). For most of the nerds that say that shite, being innovative means developing a new strategy in Halo.
I do think the parks and tourist areas will be crowded, though, unfortunately.
I do think the parks and tourist areas will be crowded, though, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 12:40 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:46 am to bmy
quote:Attempted numerous times in history without success.
The entire concept of UBI is that people have their basic needs met.. food, shelter, utilities.. anything extra has to be earned.
quote:Quite the admission.
There will always be those who are content with the basics.
quote:For whose benefit?
The vast majority of the population will be happy to work, innovate, and create.
quote:We've already made the conscious choice not to grow our Company because of the regulatory and administrative burdens that exist >50 employees. We turn down work (money) every day because it simply isn't worse the effort. Do you think taking more from us will make us want to grow more? Do you think we will work ever more harder for another's benefit? Why will we produce only to have the results of that effort taken by those that produce nothing?
I wouldn't stop working if my basic needs were met.. would you? I'd be able to take risks and create or innovate.
quote:Like when Pelosi assured us that we could all be artists or musicians under Obamacare? "No more job lock" she claimed. I got some news for you. Individuals are more "job locked" than ever --because thanks to our "healthcare" reform he individual market has been descimated into complete inaffordibility.
I'd be able to take risks and create or innovate
I'm sure next time it will be different, though...
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 12:49 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:47 am to Bench McElroy
quote:He is right.
Elon Musk: Automation Will Force Governments to Introduce Universal Basic Income
But that is a long long way off
Posted on 2/20/17 at 5:45 am to Bench McElroy
Time to plug us into the Matrix
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:07 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You won't be paying taxes, because you won't have a job.
No. Just no. Why should I give you my taxes, so you can skim your massive gov cut before giving it back to me?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:44 am to Lou Pai
quote:
Exactly. It's always funny when the dorks start touting the wonders of a post-work/post-scarcity world. If such a world comes to fruition, you'll see the same bullshite people do with the their spare time (namely, the activities you mention). For most of the nerds that say that shite, being innovative means developing a new strategy in Halo.
I do think the parks and tourist areas will be crowded, though, unfortunately.
Consider this
Their Utopia of all the basic needs experiment has failed in every prison in the world.
Bad people are just bad people.
Also consider the US. We already have basic needs taken care of in this country.
Tell me who here really doesn't have food, clothing and shelter taken care of and we have the highest prison population in the world.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:54 am to Taxing Authority
You pretty much nailed it.
This is just more marxist Utopia bullshite.
This is just more marxist Utopia bullshite.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:05 am to Bench McElroy
I'm sure they said the same thing about the tractor. There isn't a limit to goods and services people demand or are willing to pay for/have done.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:08 am to Loserman
What's to stop inflation from happening
If everyone is given, for example, $2500 in UBI, what is to stop landlords from charging $2000 rent, for example, knowing everyone out there has $2500 coming in per month.
Wouldn't it just raise the baseline cost of goods and services.
If everyone is given, for example, $2500 in UBI, what is to stop landlords from charging $2000 rent, for example, knowing everyone out there has $2500 coming in per month.
Wouldn't it just raise the baseline cost of goods and services.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:09 am to goldennugget
quote:
What's to stop inflation from happening
If everyone is given, for example, $2500 in UBI, what is to stop landlords from charging $2000 rent, for example, knowing everyone out there has $2500 coming in per month.
Wouldn't it just raise the baseline cost of goods and services.
Because in their world the government will own everything.
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