Started By
Message
locked post

Drug companies protected by FDA and patent law raise prices in unison again

Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:53 pm
The government is the reason healthcare continues to increase in cost. The crazy barrier to entry for competitors of entrenched drug companies and the regulatory swamp that protect drug companies at our expense has to stop.

There is absolutely no reason any industry should have the kind of pricing power that the drug industry in the USA has.

It seems January is price increase month and this year the increases averaged ONLY 8.8% while inflation remained about 2%.

No member of Congress or President that talks about affordable health care with attacking the government bureaucracy and corruption that created this mess is simply blowing smoke to protect the health care providers.

Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27188 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:54 pm to
When Uncle Sugar's paying the bill, or passes a law requiring us to pay the bill, the sky's the limit, baby!
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:55 pm to
The entire article from the WSJ

quote:

Facing mounting criticism about prices, drug companies put some limits on their increases this year.

Prescription-drug makers traditionally raise list prices in January. This year, they didn’t raise prices for as many drugs as last year and imposed fewer boosts of 10% or greater, according to an analysis by the investment firm Raymond James & Associates.

About 5.5% of the increases reached the 10% level. A year ago, 15% did, and two years ago, 20% did.

Even so, the median drug-price increase was little changed from last year, at 8.9%, still far above the U.S. inflation rate of around 2%.

Related Video
0:00 / 0:00
In a meeting with American pharmaceutical executives on Tuesday, President Donald Trump pressed them to greatly reduce drug prices, promising to reduce regulation and lower taxes to help them compete. Photo: Getty Images
0:00 / 0:00
Marathon Pharmaceuticals plans to sell a the drug deflazacort, used to treat a rare form of muscular dystrophy for $89,000 annually in the U.S., roughly 70 times the cost of the drug overseas. WSJ's Joseph Walker and Tanya Rivero discuss the move. Photo: Zuma Press
Self-policing on prices hasn’t been universal. Marathon Pharmaceuticals LLC caused an outcry two weeks ago when it set an $89,000-a-year starting price for a decades-old muscular-dystrophy treatment that Americans could get from abroad for $1,600 a year or less until Marathon won U.S. approval to sell it. After criticism in Congress and elsewhere, Marathon said it would delay the launch.

And six months after the EpiPen uproar—Mylan NV was charging $609 for a two-pack of the allergic-reaction treatment—a company called Kaleo said it would charge $4,500 for a competing product, Auvi-Q.

Kaleo said it has a way to cut the cost to zero for most patients, though not for health plans. On the EpiPen, Mylan later offered a $300 generic version.


Even price increases below 10%, as most of this year’s are, can drive total drug spending up by hundreds of millions of dollars. Take Humira, an arthritis and psoriasis treatment that brought in $10.4 billion for AbbVie Inc. in U.S. sales last year. AbbVie raised Humira’s list price 8.4% in January, which could mean as much as $850 million in additional U.S. health-care spending this year if usage holds steady, according to Raymond James analyst Elliot Wilbur.
The January increase came on top of 18.5% in price boosts AbbVie took last year for Humira, which it advertises heavily to U.S. consumers on TV.

AbbVie said the figures don’t take into account discounts and rebates from the list price provided to middlemen such as pharmacy-benefit managers. The discounts mean that manufacturers must share the increased revenue with others, but they can still leave buyers such as insurers paying the higher price, or most of it. And regardless of discounts to middlemen, patients who have high-deductible health plans may have to pay close to full price for at least part of the year.

Allergan PLC Chief Executive Brent Saunders said his company will collect only 2 or 3 percentage points—in line with inflation—of the average 7.4% by which Allergan raised list prices of its prescription drugs in January.

One Allergan increase was 9% on its Estrace vaginal cream—narrower than last year’s 9.9% increase and far below the 38% by which Allergan raised the drug’s list price about two years ago.

Part of the reason pharmaceutical makers are keeping most price boosts below 10% is concern that bigger ones could spark public anger, industry analysts say. Drug companies are “sticking with what they perceive to be the rate the market will bear, high single digits,” said Mr. Wilbur.

Companies also hope to blunt calls for granting Medicare authority to negotiate drug prices directly with companies, which it now is legally barred from doing, according to industry analysts.

President Donald Trump has broached the idea of giving Medicare such power. He told pharmaceutical executives at a White House meeting last month that drug “pricing has been astronomical for our country” and vowed to take steps to “get the prices way down.”

He didn’t mention Medicare negotiating power, but White House press secretary Sean Spicer said early this month Mr. Trump still favors it. The possibility of such authority for Medicare, the biggest U.S. prescription-drug buyer, has been a weight on drug stocks.

In all, producers raised the U.S. list prices of 2,353 prescription drugs in January. That was about a quarter fewer than in January 2016, according to Raymond James, which based its analysis on prices known as the “wholesale-acquisition cost.”

In the drug industry, “price increases have become a substitute for innovation,” said the CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.,Leonard Schleifer, in an interview. “If we continue to go crazy with price increases, the government will have to step in.” Regeneron hasn’t raised prices on its three drugs since their launch.

At Valeant Pharmaceuticals International, a habit of steeply raising prices, including a 525% increase on a newly acquired drug in 2015, led to a grilling by U.S. senators in April. Last month, Valeant raised the price of more than 50 products by an average of 8.4%.

It cut the price of one, the heart drug Nitropress, by 66%, according to Wells Fargo Securities, about two years after having tripled it.

Valeant’s CEO at the time of the Senate hearing admitted the company had been too aggressive in pricing. This month, a spokeswoman for Valeant said the company has decided its annual price increases will be under 10% and below the five-year weighted average of increases in the industry.

A few drug companies have promised more price information. Johnson & Johnson recently said it would report the average list-price increases for all of its drugs and their average cost, after discounts, to payers such as Medicare and insurers. AbbVie and Allergan have pledged to raise list prices only once a year and by no more than 9.9%.

Some companies, though, have raised prices for certain products more aggressively than in past years. Astellas Pharma Inc. upped the list price of organ-transplant drug Prograf by 9% last month, 2 percentage points more than its annualized rate of increases from mid-2014 to mid-2016, according to Raymond James. Astellas said it prices medicines based on the value they provide and uses the revenue to fund drug development.

The industry has moved to restrain price increases before. Early in the Clinton administration, worried about a risk of price controls, the main pharmaceutical-industry trade group pledged to limit increases to the consumer inflation rate.

Such self-policing “has never been long-lasting,” Goldman Sachs wrote in a note to clients this past September, adding: “Price increases have become an industrywide practice, especially since 2010, when reliance on higher price increases” for revenue growth intensified.

Write to Jonathan D. Rockoff at Jonathan.Rockoff@wsj.com and Peter Loftus at peter.loftus@wsj.com
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:55 pm to
Where the hell were you the last 8 yrs?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:55 pm to
That is exactly right.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:56 pm to
I have been on this issue for a long long time. I said many of the same things when ACA was being passed.

Where were you?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69251 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:58 pm to
Here's a question:

How can we simultaneously have a good patent system that encourages innovation, while also preventing monopoly and monopolistic behavior?

It seems to me you cannot. If I invent something and have a patent on it, i am by definition a monopolist.

IMO, the reduction in innovation from abolishing patents is more tolerable than the insane prices the patent-holders charge.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

How can we simultaneously have a good patent system that encourages innovation, while also preventing monopoly and monopolistic behavior?



We can limit the patents to the compounds and end this foolishness of patenting old compounds for new uses. To do that we should also allow the new uses of old compounds for potential new uses without much regulatory effort so we can take advantage of new finding.

We can immediately allow uses of known compounds regardless of the intent of the use. In other words no bureaucrat has to approve the use of a compound that has known hazards for any use a doctor decide. If all we want the FDA to do is to warn of hazards why should be care if Doctor Joe thinks a compound created for high blood pressure might be helpful for balding?
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69251 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:02 pm to
There is not an ounce of evidence anywhere in the world that the patent system has been good for medicine.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:04 pm to
Speaking of anti capitalism.

Imagine if we didn't have a patent system for medicine
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:05 pm to
I've said this before, but specialty compounding pharmacies are our best chance to combat big pharma and insurance and govt collusion
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

There is not an ounce of evidence anywhere in the world that the patent system has been good for medicine.




You mean consumers of medicine or drug companies? The crazy patent law we have now that allows patents on 50 year old drugs simply because someone has a new use is crazy.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Where were you?

Watching Dems (when they're in charge) spend like drunken sailors on shore leave with the Reps standing around with the thumbs up their asses & when the Reps are in charge they occasionally try (very weakly) to be "conservative" but fold the first time the Dems bitch and moan. I'm hoping Trump is somewhat conservative which means he'd be better than Reagan (who wasn't very conservative).
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
7995 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

Here's a question:

How can we simultaneously have a good patent system that encourages innovation, while also preventing monopoly and monopolistic behavior?

It seems to me you cannot. If I invent something and have a patent on it, i am by definition a monopolist.

IMO, the reduction in innovation from abolishing patents is more tolerable than the insane prices the patent-holders charge.


I tend to think the FDA is more the issue here and not the patent system.

The entire raison d'etre of the big pharmaceutical companies these days is to steer promising products through the FDA. A lot of the raw research is done elsewhere.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

The government is the reason healthcare continues to increase in cost. The crazy barrier to entry for competitors of entrenched drug companies and the regulatory swamp that protect drug companies at our expense has to stop.

There is absolutely no reason any industry should have the kind of pricing power that the drug industry in the USA has.

It seems January is price increase month and this year the increases averaged ONLY 8.8% while inflation remained about 2%.

No member of Congress or President that talks about affordable health care with attacking the government bureaucracy and corruption that created this mess is simply blowing smoke to protect the health care providers.


Healthcare workers are interesting because they don't want the govt manipulating healthcare...but if they knew their industries history, then they would know that much of its infrastructural and personal wealth was generated by the government when Medicaid/Medicare was introduced.

It's liberal capitalism at its finest
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Watching Dems (when they're in charge) spend like drunken sailors on shore leave with the Reps standing around with the thumbs up their asses & when the Reps are in charge they occasionally try (very weakly) to be "conservative" but fold the first time the Dems bitch and moan. I'm hoping Trump is somewhat conservative which means he'd be better than Reagan (who wasn't very conservative).



So why do you criticize me?? You did nothing.

I have not only posted solutions on this board but I have let my representatives know in face to face conversations many of my positions.

The problem in healthcare is because it is not a free market and because government is the largest consumer of health services and is a poor shopper cost have sky rocketed. They will continue to do so until those fundamental things change.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:11 pm to
Compounding oharmacies bro
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10433 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Where the hell were you the last 8 yrs?


Does it matter?

Obama was never going to help. I saw bravo to anyone that is raising a stink on issues that need attention from Trump. Here is to hoping he will fix as many issues as possible.
Posted by PatrickBeetmen
Highland Park, TX
Member since Oct 2016
384 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

I have been on this issue for a long long time.


What solutions have you offered up? I haven't seen any of your threads on this previously.
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9577 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

There is not an ounce of evidence anywhere in the world that the patent system has been good for medicine.


This. Meanwhile, Jonas Salk saved literally millions of people from death and paralysis by making the polio vaccine free.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram